Can't really see why O'Donoghue is getting criticism for that interview. He barely asked a question before King started getting incredibly defensive.
Big time. Sure that's where the 'do your homework' comment came out of. Shame his delivery wasn't composed, but he's absolutely right to call out the RTE for their dreadful level of knowledge and analysis.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
Can't really see why O'Donoghue is getting criticism for that interview. He barely asked a question before King started getting incredibly defensive.
My problem isn't with TOD so much with the panel. King should've handled it a lot better, but I can't really blame him after the RTE panel shellacked him like a bored child pulling the wings from a fly last Friday. He was obviously fixing for a fight.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
yes, but chickens come home to roost. TOD has "previous". King knows that. RTE would find fault if we beat Brazil. The RTE panel has no objectivity. It was utter hypocrisy for them not to acknowledge the small steps taken tonight - things we did that they have been calling for us to do - and they quite positively displayed a lack of understanding of how many modern football teams play these days. King was more right about things than they were.Originally Posted by osarusan
Lets get the whole thing into context - It was a relatively meaningless game which we won comfortably with 80% possession and outplayed the Kazaks in every department (in contrast to the away game) and managed by an employee of the FAI who was asked at short notice to do a job.
In this regard the RTE panel attacks on King in the last few days have been nothing short of sickening. How exactly is Eamon "I haven't been at a LOI game in 35 years" Dunphy standing up for Irish fans? Or is he just standing up for fairweather supporters like himself who are only interested in the EPL or when the Irish national team plays and spoofing clap-trap about real Irish supporters, of which he most certainly is not one, since he has no time for the LOI.
Noel King has more football integrity in his little finger particularly in relation to grass roots football than Dunphy ever will.
Note that Dunphy and Giles had a go at King for moving the goalposts, of shifting the focus to TOD 'denigrating the players'. Dunphy also said about King's references to the green shirt being guff...
Not five minutes later Dunphy is waxing hyprocritus maximus about aforementioned green shirt and fawning about fans and 'great men with passion'. Goalposts moving steadily to the moon at that point.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
Actually, King has more integrity in his little finger than Giles has shown these past few days on the RTE panel. A gutless performance by the ex-ireland manager.
Kinger personalized the whole thing and made it all about himself in that interview ...this game wasn't about him it was his country. If he felt that tony didn't know what he was talking about then he went about it the wrong way.I don't think he did see it as a 4-2-3-1 though, but Stokes and Doyle have played that.
We were definitely missing width and speed to pull them out of shape though. A switch of both pilks and mcgeady would have been nice after 65/70 and then hoolohan a bit later for reid.
I did not think I could dislike Dunphy more, post seeing tonights clip..........absolute joker.
A bit of a silly reaction by King.....but O'Donughue has become a sh*t stirrer of a journalist imo.
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Eoin McDevitt should be brought in as the main host as he actually understands football and wouldn't be afraid of the two lads.
Pilkington was injured.
I'm fed up with the RTE panel at the moment. King made one very good statement. We played a passing game, we had most of the posession, we scored 3 goals. What more do people really want. You can't fix 10 years of hoof ball over night. I think the man deserves a lot of credit and his passion for the Irish team was great to behold.
Sadlier almost came out with respect saying the man is in an interim job so there's no point on rambling on about. I do think Maloney tried to defend him as well. But Dunphy needs to go. No one wants to listen to him anymore. When i speak to people that don't know much about the game and hear Dunphy's rubbish regurgitated i just want to break things. Dunphy is actually largely part of the reason why football is in trouble in this country but creating this weird belief amongst the general public that we have world class players and could beat Spain 10-0 if we were managed properly. If there was someone on that panel making intelligent debate about the issues in Irish football, like Niall Quinn did on Sky Sports - people might actually start backing it.
Eamon Dunphy was an absolute disgrace last night and should be pulled on his spoof and his nastiness.
Noel King did not personally attack Tony O'Donoghue. What he said to O'Donoghue was that Doyle played on the right for his club "if anyone wants to do their homework". That is even less personal than Dunphy's assertion on Friday that Ireland (and by implication King) were tactically illiterate. For Dunphy to turn what King said into "Tony, do your homework, you don't know what you're talking about" was disgusting on Dunphy's part. It is made even more incredible by the fact that in the his last sentence before accusing King of making a personal attack on O'Donoghue, he called King "unpleasant". Dunphy is also the master of the personal attack. This is the man who called Niall Quinn "a creep", who had a pop at a journalist for "running off with a young wan", who called Harry Kewell a "fat clown" etc. etc. His belittling of Maloney was also self serving bullying. Maloney asked a legitimate question about the "harsh criticism" King received and Dunphy turned that to pursue his own agenda. While Maloney could have handled it better, he was like a rabbit in the headlights, we've all been there when we've been pounced upon unexpectedly and Dunphy is a master in that situation (I've seen him make bits of Souness and Brady too to be fair). It was bullying as far as I'm concerned.
That said, King did himself no favours. Tony O'Donoghue asked a fair question last night and King reacted very badly. He didn't personally attack anyone but he reacted poorly because his core point was correct (what more do people expect than a 3-1 win and 80% possession). However, some of O'Donoghue's Paxman-wannabe interviews with Trap were disgraceful and I have no problem with his interviewing skills coming under scrutiny even if, in this particular instance, he didn't actually do much wrong.
As for Dunphy, I'd normally consider myself a fan purely for the comedy and flip flopping. However, last night he sank as low as he could go and pursued his agenda on false grounds. He clearly was upset over King labelling the panel a "comedy act" at the weekend and just wanted a chance to have a go. King gave him an opening but Dunphy shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. I also don't believe he anymore gives a f**k about Tony O'Donoghue than the man in the moon. He's a phony, a charlatan, a spoofer and he owes Noel King an apology as far as I'm concerned.
I've not seen the RTE panel stuff yet but don't see why they are gunning for a caretaker manager? Bizarre. I do feel a bit sorry for King, he was thrusted into this position & has tried to do the best he can. I've been impressed with his conduct in the build up to the games & glad he has tried to build bridges with players who were frozen out by the old regime. Instead of focusing on the positives Dunphy and co seem to only want to stick the knife in so it gets them in the newspapers and radio. Shameless & unnecessary.
Got complimentary Corporate tickets walking in the gate, so had a great view of the pitch last night.
I'll be honest about this, I was really disappointed that both John O'Shea and Richard Dunne started. Not that Damien Delaney did anything wrong, but in age alone, Ciaran Clark is going to feature longer than the Palace man. To me Dunne looked off-the-boil last night, in his main area of responsibility - defending. Lost quite a few aerial duels, and didn't look particularly composed to me either.
Forde doesn't appear to want to play football. His distribution is terrible. Coleman was excellent, goal apart, but he wasn't the only culprit from what I can remember.
Was surprised by McCarthy getting man of the match. Didn't seem to do too much. Wilson doesn't fit at left back. Thought Stokes was very good, haven't seen much of him previously. Reid was Reid. Whelan did well when he came on. Robbie does not suit as the lone man up front, and there are better options than him in the area's just behind, but he is the only one with a goal radar.
Doyle was not suited to his role. McGeady, biased fanboy that I am, showed why he should have been on from the start.
I'm going to watch the game back again so I'll be curious to see if my opinion changes.
Here they come! It’s the charge of the “Thanks” Brigade!
in fairness King isnt up to it, just shows he hasnt had any real top class management. his reaction last night was childish and made him look 2nd rate. the fact he left doyle and stokes on the pitch also makes me question his ability. both were terrible again last night IMO. the game was crying out for mcgeady from the start really. i hope king isnt in charge of any more games before the new manager comes in.
King rammed the point home that Stokes and Doyle have played those roles before. But failed to acknowledge that Stokes played the role in failed moves to Sunderland, Palace and Sheffield ( I haven't seen him for Celtic) and Doyle has played for Reading latterly and now Wolves as they plummet. It's hardly a ringing endorsement to counter the question put to him by TO'D, when you consider McGeady wasn't started. Much like his "Glenn Whelan played that role at school boy level" answer the other night. Context is important in light of those omitted, I would think.
I was away with work in the UK so only saw the match with no commentary. Didn't see the RTE guff.
Wing back might be Colemans best position with us play 3 at the back. I think he's going to be one of those players that will have a moment like that every so often.
I didn't get to see any of the game last night but am looking forward to seeing what the Panel actually said. So far I only have what you guys saw.
Watched the TOD/King interview from the link above and in all I didn't see much wrong with what Noel said. TOD as we all know is the Troll-in-Chief and has been acting the maggot for years with Trap. No surprise he tried it with the "Intrim" manager.
AS Noel said, what more could we have done?
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
What exactly did he 'try'?
im no fan of tony o'donoghue, i think he probably listens to what the panel say after the game and bases his questions on that....but my issue was with king's response. he should have just said they were the decisions he made and the result justified it and maybe he could have changed it earlier or whatever. no one would have said a thing to that. i just felt that he showed himself up to look childish and as dunphy said out of his depth. Trap took stupid questions of o'donoghue for ages but showed his experience and class in answering them. never looked fazed. King should have just sucked it up as part of the job.
Stokes played that position against Barcelona recently, so King was right to point that out. I haven't seen much of Wolves lately, so I can't comment on where Doyle has played for them. I didn't particularly agree with either decision, and leaving Doyle on for the 90 minutes was baffling, but the way O'Donoghue went about it was uncalled for. He's been getting away with that line of questioning with Trapattoni (who's English is poor) since Poland, and when he tried it on with someone who could match him verbally, and with superior knowledge of the game, he was caught out badly. He has no sympathy from me.
Dunphy's line about Trapttoni being a gentleman in interviews was particularly galling, after the criticism he's been getting from the panel for his responses in interviews during his reign.
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