Interesting that Fanning thinks that managing Ireland would be a step down from managing Norwich. Says it all, really.
Looks like we could be now condemned forever to be like Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland; never qualifying for European Championships or World Cups. At least Irish football fans can now return to what they do best - supporting Liverpool and Man United.
It matter of factually is a step down - the step made only slightly smaller by the fact that by international football standards the Irish job is overpaid.Originally Posted by Straightstory
I've mentioned Alex McLeishs move from managing Scotland to Birmingham City before ...it involved a 2000% pay hike. No international association can, or should in all likelihood, compete with that.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
If we are serious about developing talent, then the FAI should firstly decide what type of system we want to play (Dutch, German, Spanish etc) and go to Holland and pay premium money for some of their coaches to come over here. I have watched some of our young teams and have been impressed with how they try and play football (including Noel King's u21s). I'm not sure if that is a result of the Dutch guy the FAI had brought over. Contrary to the doom and gloom over the past few days, we are producing some talent of real ability (Noe Baba, Daniel Cleary, Alex O'Hanlon and Jack Byrne) to name a few. The dream would be Liam Brady running the show.
There should be highly professional regional groups from about 10 or 11 up. Each region doesn't just take the so called top 20 in each age group from their region, but the top 100. From being involved in youth football, there can be lads who are average/good at 10, who by the time they are 14 are outstanding. Some lads will really come on with the top class coaching they receive. The best lads will inevitably go to Liverpool or United, but there will be a very positive knock on effect for the LOI, as there will be a noticeable improvement in the technical/tactical ability of young lads.
I actually think we have a decent batch of players at senior level, who are certainly good enough to get us to Euro 2016 and with the right draw have a good chance of World Cup 2018, but I would rather widespread development and money ploughed into the long term development of football in this country, then hiring another Trapattoni, who for all his early good work will leave us in almost as bad shape as when he took over. Belgium is the dream for us to try and emulate, countries like Denmark probably more feasible targets for proper football development in this country.
Wouldn't Martin O' Neill be perceived as a traitor in NI if he accepted Irish job? Would he and his family want the grief that might ensue from a minority of headbangers up there? What if more Norn Ire lads declared for us under his watch.... imagine the hassle he'd face up North as a result!
Perhaps it's too much of a pipe dream, but I wouldn't like to see us just breed players for a system, I'd like us to be coaching young players to their strengths as young as possible, whether those strengths are going to be being a big bruiser, a speedy winger, or a midfield pacemaker. Ultimately, youth football should be about the kids, and having a strong but technically limited player frozen out is just as bad from that respect as doing the same thing to someone small with good technique.
He's not daft Grafter, but let's worry about that, if and when it ever happens.
I'd say it's not a step down in terms of prestige but definitely in terms of salary. That's the problem. It'd also be a career risk. He's doing OK at Norwich but if they do badly he'll geta good job at a Championship club, paying well. Managing Ireland without success could leave him vulnerable wrt future club employment if he was sacked or not renewed.
It's gonna be Roy Keane. Gonna be fun whilst it lasts (6 months?)
"If God had meant football to be played in the air, he'd have put grass in the sky." Brian Clough.
You'll NEVER beat the Irish.......you'll just draw with us instead!!!
That's a very valid point. I suppose what I would say is that the Spanish, Germans, Italians, Dutch, Belgians etc and even the Danes produce players of variety. They produce guys like Pirlo or Sneijder, but also defensive bruisers like Gattuso or Van Bommel, who are still 100 times more technically gifted than Glen Whelan.
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Maybe so, but I don't see why he'd let that bother him. He was at the game on Friday night and was happy enough in the past to manage Celtic, a club who wouldn't be too popular with many NI fans for obvious reasons. He also acknowledged the choice that exists for Irish nationals born in the north when he spoke publicly of McClean's switch and didn't appear to take any issue with it - I'd imagine he sees it as a positive thing as he seemed to be of the mistaken belief that that option hadn't been open to him when he was playing - so I don't see why he wouldn't be happy enough to facilitate northern-born players good enough and willing to play for us.
I was commenting on the previous poster who wanted us to play "free flowing football". It's not going to happen no matter who the manager is. I am aware of how low our stock has fallen.
Our centre-backs are not comfortable on the ball which is a pre-requisite for such idealistic type of football played by mostly only the top teams. Sweden hoof the ball and they have been doing it successfully for years but they have the players or should I say the player for it. I don't have a problem with the ball being hoofed up more often than not. I remember some of our goals being conceded in Poland by attempts to play football in our own half. What annoyed me though was that when it failed all the time (apart from Robbie's goal we must not forget), Trap's answer was to try it again. That said Sweden defended very well and gave Coleman no space to overlap. The other annoying this was bringing on Cox. After his first few bright games, his star has steadily been on the wane. Surely Hoolahan for a bit of guile was worth trying.
The system works away and two big tests for it are coming up. It has failed abysmally at home. What I just don't understand is why Trap has not seen this and adapted our style accordingly. Mind you our home form for over a decade has been poor. We find it hard to break down teams here
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
and on the 2 or 3 occasions he did actually get into good positions he inexplicably cut back in-field rather than whipping over an early cross.
we struggled to get in behind them but when we did our use of the ball was dreadful. longs two great opportunities to play the ball accross quickly when in their penalty area was hugely frustrating also.
Trap's contract is valid until June.
It does appear madness though to have a contract valid until June 2014. That's half of 8 months salary for him and management team, drained from Irish football.
Why not a contract until October 2013 unless we made it to the Finals?
Maybe we manage to beat Austria, Sweden suffer a shock defeat to Kazakhstan, we avoid a goal rout in Germany and qualification hopes are kept alive to the last game, just to suck some more value out of Trap and his management team.
I don't think the length of the contract has any relevance, to be honest. I'd imagine the FAI and Trap just agreed a salary for the duration of the contract, €3 million or whatever, and it was up to the FAI how they chose to spread that out.
Of the tens of thousands of posts which have been made over the last several days, concerning the Irish set up, this is the best. It addresses the correct points (what system do we want to play) and the poster (Bungle) correctly points out that we need to pay premium money for their coaches to come over here, rather than big money for the likes of Trap.
Top marks Bungle.
Wouldn't mind at all if it was Keane. It would inject a massive amount of public attention into the situation, rather than the disdain that is there at present.
And while on the subject of the ultimate prodigal son being brought back to the highest job in the land, I wonder what he would think of the following players (who were also outcasts to one extent or another) - Stephen Ireland, Darron Gibson, Wes Hoolahan, Anthony Stokes. Chucks, there were two other creative lads which have escaped me at present.
There'd be a huge short term impact alright and I think the "outcasts" might return - before they get kicked out
I'd be less sure the long term consequences would be good.
In all seriousness though, I never got the impression Keane ever showed the signs that he can read footballing situations from the bench in the way the better coaches do. I'm not sure Mick or MON ever did either though! I think their strengths are their ability to get people to play for them.
I just can't see Delaney going near him and I'm surprised his name is being bandied about. Has Keane even indicated he'd consider taking the job if offered?
That's the most soul-destroying and frustrating aspect; the inevitable futility of it all.
Cox wasn't always deployed on the wing though, was he? He chests down throw-ins and can do little else on the wing. Walters is an absolute work-horse, but he's another player who won't offer us much on the wing. That's not a criticism of Walters, but his panting and chasing like a wounded bull is utterly wasted there. You can see it kills him; he's drained every game he plays there, and for naught. He looked on the verge of collapse before Alaba scored his equaliser in March, but Trap inexplicably left him on.The other annoying this was bringing on Cox. After his first few bright games, his star has steadily been on the wane. Surely Hoolahan for a bit of guile was worth trying.
That's true, although Trap's high-profile appointment also generated a huge level of interest; as you can see, such attention is transient.
Out of interest, would a Keane appointment disgruntle any/many on here?
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The comparisons with the North in terms of the standard of coaching is very depressing and worrying.
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