Darron Gibson

**DeLorean** · 05/06/2013, 8:33 AM

Originally Posted by Irwin3

I hate this toys out of the pram stuff to be honest. It's more than just not playing, it's personal. I don't think Gibson cared if Trap wanted to make him first choice and captain after the euros. It's a moot point. He clearly doesn't want to work with him anymore.

In every walk of life you'll come across bosses, colleagues, etc that you don't get on with from time to time. Grown ups tend to plough on and try to make the most of it. And I'm including rubbish jobs at times that you probably hate doing in the first place, Gibson's turning his back on something the rest of us can only dream of. Sorry but I can't see any explanation other than petulant egotism.

**paul_oshea** · 05/06/2013, 8:58 AM

Work and International and Your Country, don't go in the same sentence with me....

**Irwin3** · 05/06/2013, 10:20 AM

I don't see how you can represent a football team without working with the manager. Please enlighten me?

**paul_oshea** · 05/06/2013, 10:23 AM

I work for my manager for a start. There is usually a level of direction from Top-down.

But if I were representing my country, work sounds something like a chore to me. It would be an honour and I would do whatever is necessary and I am told to do by my manager - just like I would at work.

**Irwin3** · 05/06/2013, 10:50 AM

What did Gibson not do that Trap told him to do? Where are you coming from with this?

We are talking about a manager disrespecting and leveling personal insults at one of their workers. The worker has decided enough is enough and will not work with this manager again.

**Stuttgart88** · 05/06/2013, 11:05 AM

I'm very sympathetic to Gibson's dissatisfaction, though not his response, but I don't recall personal insults and disrespect. Can you remind me?

I do recall Trap saying he should leave Man U. He was right and I think we all agree that.

**Irwin3** · 05/06/2013, 11:24 AM

It's not on the record as far as I know. Some kind of altercation after the Spain game after Gibson confronted Trap. Trap also apparently grabbed him in training and said he was too fat or something. More was hinted at from the friend of a friend on ybig. This is not just about not playing although it plays a part. Playing Green when he was Trap's 6th choice cm pre-euros took the **** and from the outside looks like someone stamping their authority and proving a point.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 05/06/2013, 11:29 AM

So they don't like each other then...

**DannyInvincible** · 05/06/2013, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Irwin3

It's not on the record as far as I know. Some kind of altercation after the Spain game after Gibson confronted Trap. Trap also apparently grabbed him in training and said he was too fat or something. More was hinted at from the friend of a friend on ybig. This is not just about not playing although it plays a part. Playing Green when he was Trap's 6th choice cm pre-euros took the **** and from the outside looks like someone stamping their authority and proving a point.

Hmm, if true, that certainly sheds new light on matters.

**DeLorean** · 05/06/2013, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Irwin3

More was hinted at from the friend of a friend on ybig.

I take it all back.

**Stuttgart88** · 05/06/2013, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Work and International and Your Country, don't go in the same sentence with me....

They just did.

**paul_oshea** · 05/06/2013, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Irwin3

What did Gibson not do that Trap told him to do? Where are you coming from with this?

We are talking about a manager disrespecting and leveling personal insults at one of their workers. The worker has decided enough is enough and will not work with this manager again.

You said "work with". I work with someone who is on the same level as me. You don't work with someone who is above you or lets say in this case the manager, a manager who has years of experience and wisdom beyond your time on Earth, you work for him/her(should this be s/he?).

Some people are more delicate than others. If any of its true Trap certainly shouldn't have called him fat, or grabbed him in training, but surely players should be a bit more thick skinned.

**Irwin3** · 05/06/2013, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

You said "work with". I work with someone who is on the same level as me. You don't work with someone who is above you or lets say in this case the manager, a manager who has years of experience and wisdom beyond your time on Earth, you work for him/her(should this be s/he?).

Some people are more delicate than others. If any of its true Trap certainly shouldn't have called him fat, or grabbed him in training, but surely players should be a bit more thick skinned.

Disagree. You're thinking too much in the hierarchical sense. You can work with anyone no matter what level they are on. It is the act of doing work together.

**Irwin3** · 05/06/2013, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

I take it all back.

This poster also continually said after the euros that Gibson would not return. He was surprised when Trap called him up for Serbia and then Kazakhstan and Germany as he knew that Gibson had no intention of answering the call.

**DeLorean** · 05/06/2013, 12:30 PM

Even if he is correct, I still think Gibson is being a baby. My God like, an old school manager grabbed him... grow a pair! We're a million miles apart on this so I'm happy to agree to never agree.

Out of curiosity, does this friend of a friend know whether Gibson wants to come back post-Trap? Can't see any reason why he wouldn't given that info.

**Grafter** · 05/06/2013, 1:02 PM

Wee Darn reminds me of General Zod but with more attitude

**geysir** · 05/06/2013, 1:05 PM

I haven't seen any silly quotes from Gibson on the matter. Trap has been quite generous in his reference to Gibson and his exile, and Gibson has said little if anything. Trap gave Gibson plenty of chances when he was cr�p and fit to play, though when fit to play those games he still made Glenn Whelan look like Billy Whizz. Who knows what happened at the Euros, Trap is no fool and wouldn't be the type to be blackmailed by an aggrieved inflated ego into a selection decision.
No doubt Gibson would have received a string of caps - post Euros, now we have Wes, another technically gifted player, who held his counsel (not least when Green was selected ahead of him), to be given some opportunity.

**Irwin3** · 05/06/2013, 1:18 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

Even if he is correct, I still think Gibson is being a baby. My God like, an old school manager grabbed him... grow a pair! We're a million miles apart on this so I'm happy to agree to never agree.

Out of curiosity, does this friend of a friend know whether Gibson wants to come back post-Trap? Can't see any reason why he wouldn't given that info.

The issue is with the current manager. He'd been playing for Ireland for 9 years beforehand so I'm not sure why he wouldn't return if a new manager came in.

Another source said this after the euros:

“Right now, Darron doesn’t know where he stands with [Giovanni] Trapattoni. He loves playing for Ireland but the manager doesn’t seem to believe in him.”

Grabbed is maybe the wrong word as it implies aggressiveness. I think it was more a case of someone trying to embarrass someone else by giving them a pinch and intimating that they are too fat. Why would you want to play for someone who showed you such a complete lack of respect.