Champions League 2012-13

**NeverFeltBetter** · 16/05/2013, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Even though I despise Man.U., there's a world of difference between winning a Lge.title and a one-off Final.
Cup Final medals should just be for the participants (and subs at a pinch)...

It's not just a "one-off" though is it? The Europa League, while much maligned, takes more than one victory to win. I don't know how many games Terry played in it, but I presumed he had some on-field role.

**KK77** · 16/05/2013, 2:29 PM

Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter

It's not just a "one-off" though is it? The Europa League, while much maligned, takes more than one victory to win. I don't know how many games Terry played in it, but I presumed he had some on-field role.

Correct. It's a team game and over the course of the season he played a role in it. Makes no odds to me if he gets into his gear or stays in his suit.

**DeLorean** · 16/05/2013, 2:45 PM

Personally, I think he overdid the celebrations last year. Roy Keane played a massive role in United's semi final win in 99 and without him they probably wouldn't have made the final. He still looked half embarrassed walking around the Nou Camp having not been involved in the final. John Terry went and got himself sent off in the semi final and put their chances of reaching the final in serious jeopardy. Yet he still had the cockiness to parade around as if he was a vital component. It just doesn't say an awful lot in terms of humility but other than that it's no big deal.

**Closed Account 2** · 16/05/2013, 3:10 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

I don't think it's all that comparable to United's title celebrations at the weekend really. That was obviously a decision taken well in advance having known the league was won and there was going to be a victory celebration, with each player individually recognised for the season's work. Terry's appeared a much more spontaneous and self motivated decision at the time, even if it wasn't.

Also it's unfair to have a go at a player like Rooney for wearing the full kit when he wasnt in the match day squad at the weekend. No one can expect him to know how to do up a tie or button up his shirt, much easier to stick on a football kit.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 16/05/2013, 3:21 PM

Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter

It's not just a "one-off" though is it? The Europa League, while much maligned, takes more than one victory to win. I don't know how many games Terry played in it, but I presumed he had some on-field role.

The Final itself is a 'one-off'.

And most cups only give medals to the participants in their actual final...

**NeverFeltBetter** · 16/05/2013, 4:02 PM

Which would be grossly unfair to a player that had played every other game but missed the final through injury.

**BonnieShels** · 16/05/2013, 4:41 PM

Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter

Which would be grossly unfair to a player that had played every other game but missed the final through injury.

Indeed it would. As has been said before it's to do with the brass neck way he did it. He no doubt deserves a medal but the way he went up the staeps last year was just cringe-worthy.

**geysir** · 16/05/2013, 6:09 PM

I hoped Eusebio would give Terry a poke with his walking stick.

With Keane, the drama of the reluctant victor was all about himself, not the team.

**BonnieShels** · 17/05/2013, 9:18 AM

Originally Posted by geysir

I hoped Eusebio would give Terry a poke with his walking stick.

With Keane, the drama of the reluctant victor was all about himself, not the team.

And with Scholes?

**ArdeeBhoy** · 19/05/2013, 8:54 AM

Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter

Which would be grossly unfair to a player that had played every other game but missed the final through injury.

Except that doesn't (or didn't) happen in most Cup Finals. It's just the 11 or 15 or whatever on the day.

**geysir** · 25/05/2013, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by BonnieShels

And with Scholes?

Probably similar.
Their reaction was more about themselves, their disappointment at not playing, undeserving of a medal etc, than about the team who pulled off an amazing victory without their 2 outstanding midfielders. Quite understandable but imo that doesn't stand out as being particularly noteworthy, humility is a good bit bigger than that.
No doubt though, Terry's reaction was ott.

**Charlie Darwin** · 25/05/2013, 11:34 AM

Decent article here on Jupp Heyncke's role in Bayern's rise here, although I thought this part was a bit odd:

Midway through the season, Bayern Munich had announced the manager's time would be up in the summer; that he would be replaced by the younger, better-looking and more talented Pep Guardiola, the very mention of whose name these days feels as though it needs to be prefaced by a drumroll.

As if being pushed out of his job wasn't enough, he's also comparatively unattractive. Poor guy.

**geysir** · 25/05/2013, 6:20 PM

He certainly shipped public censure from the Bayern board for losing that final against Chelsea. I guess Heynkcke was firing a few shots of his own when claiming they didn't know who Martinez was, but they still signed the cheque for Eur37m.
I'm really looking forward to this game.
It's easy enough to see Bayern have a better team but on the night I'd say it will turn out even enough.
I hope Dortmund win but expect Bayern.

**Stuttgart88** · 25/05/2013, 6:43 PM

I haven't looked forward to a game so much for ages. I live on the way to Wembley and lots of fans were about the place today.

On Sky Sports News Ray Wilkins has just said there are only 2 or 3 good teams in Germany. Discuss.

**Stuttgart88** · 25/05/2013, 6:49 PM

Puma versus Adidas. The ultimate German sporting rivalry.

**BonnieShels** · 25/05/2013, 6:52 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

He certainly shipped public censure from the Bayern board for losing that final against Chelsea. I guess Heynkcke was firing a few shots of his own when claiming they didn't know who Martinez was, but they still signed the cheque for Eur37m.
I'm really looking forward to this game.
It's easy enough to see Bayern have a better team but on the night I'd say it will turn out even enough.
I hope Dortmund win but expect Bayern.

I thought you'd look away tonight and not get involved in this beautiful Teutonic celebration.

I want Dortmund to win. But part of me would like to see Guardiola crumble under the pressure of managing Munich as CL champions next year.