Ireland V Germany 12th October & Faroe Islands 16th October 2012 - World Cup 2014 Q

[Junior]

POSH, just so Im clear, at what point did you think Trap needed shot of? You havent always been of that mindset and if I was to guess, I'd say pobably mid way through the last campaign? - Its hardly Nostradamus stuff, if so.

Or were you banging on about him being the wrong choice in his first campaign, I dont remember that if its the case.

Lets face it, theres a bit of "I told you so" about your posts these days. Pipe the fcuk down

[paul_oshea]

I actually think now that i'm more for Trap than I ever have been before.

For whatever reasons, he has made the changes that many have been calling for, dropped the players and tried to alter the system. If only he could sort out his communication issues, I think we could have a great manager. A manager who adapts our system and tactics based on the opponent. Like any good manager managing a non-world beater trying to get the best out of the resources at his disposal. Alas its all probably too late because he has lost the dressing room by the sounds of things.

Its funny managers seem to need a 2 year bedding in period, which I don't understand, and then they have a 2 year happy period, and then it all goes pete tong At least from an Irish context.

[Charlie Darwin]

I actually think now that i'm more for Trap than I ever have been before.

For whatever reasons, he has made the changes that many have been calling for, dropped the players and tried to alter the system. If only he could sort out his communication issues, I think we could have a great manager. A manager who adapts our system and tactics based on the opponent.

But he's not that manager, regardless of his communication problem. He tried out a new formation for half a game and then abandoned it for one that was even less suited to the opposition.

[tricky_colour]

http://www.vipboxsports.eu/sports/football.html

Thanks there is a great stream on there showing RTE coverage, ie pre-match stuff.

[DannyInvincible]

The RTÉ stream is here: http://www.vipboxsports.eu/football/...am-online.html

[SwanVsDalton]

Yep it could well be that CD.

SVD you don't have time to search but you have time to formulate your opinion and constuct that point

Touche! I guess I mean I can't remember what thread it's from (we post a lot on the same theme POS!) and I'm not au fait enough with the search function to be really bothered looking!

Its never been a told you so, I said that ages ago, its not gloating its simply annoys me how naive some of you were at the start that all was rosy in the garden. If these changes are made early on, and nipped in the bud, in any sporting team or even organisational context, then they get sorted out and you don't have these problems. Everytime we have a manger we have these 2-4 year cycles where there is a witch-hunt etc etc etc, if Trap had been a little smarter and those that defended him too then we wouldn't be here even having these discussions.

I defended Trap because I thought a lot of the criticism is heavy handed and/or hysterical, but - hard as it might be to believe - I did personally think he should've shifted formations, blooded new players quicker, sorted out the communication problems and went after the Euros.

My biggest gripe was we never developed a Plan B, which would help us when the chips were down. Which is why I always took your point (and others) when saying we'd run into a brick wall eventually.

I think that was made difficult by qualification - the manager was bound (rightfully to my mind) to stick with similar personnel, and possibly felt he couldn't meddle much with 'the system' but he definitely should've. And he definitely should've had the werewithal post Euros to say 'it didn't work, we're trying something else'. That to my eyes was a massive failing.

Which all leads me to say - I agree with you more than you think and disagree with Trap more than you think.

Ok maybe, its a bit too much to admit all that, but admit that your opinion and belief in Trap and his results blights your judgement...and therefore you were wrong

I think we both know there's two chances of that happening...

[SwanVsDalton]

But he's not that manager, regardless of his communication problem. He tried out a new formation for half a game and then abandoned it for one that was even less suited to the opposition.

That's close to how I feel - although I optimistically hope the revert to 442 is due to the opposition. But I suspect if he stayed on we'd be playing 442 for the rest of the campaign because of how 'badly' it did against Germany.

[Charlie Darwin]

Lovely hoof from Wilson there early doors - that's why he's in the team.

[Colbert Report]

Andrews!

[SwanVsDalton]

Andrews should've buried that.

[dancinpants]

Criminal miss from Andrews.

[tricky_colour]

Nice clearance from Andrews there, nearly put it into the back of his own net!!

[Charlie Darwin]

Brady is the kind of cut inside and have a pop winger we haven't had since Mark Kennedy. He looks so much more comfortable shooting than Duff or McGeady ever have.

[Charlie Darwin]

Wilson caught napping there and McGeady nowhere in sight - bit of a let off.

[SwanVsDalton]

Good scramble from Westwood there. Wilson hasn't made the most auspicious start, gave the ball away then caught out of position then made very little attempt to close down the cross/shot. No cover from McGeady but still poor.

Loved that overlap earlier from Coleman though, Faroes or not, not very often to see an Irish FB do that in the last four years.

[Charlie Darwin]

The tempo of this game is breakneck slow.

[Colbert Report]

The goals will come, we're pressing them now.

[tricky_colour]

I really can't believe we are taking corners of 'end product Brady' and giving them to 'no end product McGeady'. Unbelievable,

[Manblue]

Coleman has been very wasteful in possession and is showing signs of petulance

[Charlie Darwin]

I think if we score it will be a shot from outside the box. I don't know why we persist on shunting balls into the box - it just encourages them to stick more bodies in there.