QuoteIt still draws people. If the match had been on when Taylor fought no one would have turned up.
Averages after week 21: (Missing Drogs v Bohs, Bray v Dundalk, Wexford v Limerick)
PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs - 1546 (2011 - 1,488; 2010- 1,835; 2009 - 2,366; 2008 - 1,993; 2007 - 1,924; 2006 - 1,463; 2005 - 1,976)
Bray - 1000 (1,121; 952; 1,169; 1,106; 1,200; 1,027; 1,550)
Cork - 2986 (2,128 FD; 1,693 FD; 2,681; 3,142; 2,897; 2,941; 3,644)
Derry - 1650 (2,135; 1,965 FD; 2,436; 3,363; 2,614; 3,229; 2,698)
Drogheda - 1012 (811; 859; 1,106; 1,631; 1,919; 1,751; 1,682)
Dundalk - 1088 (1,355; 1,877; 2,371; 1,459 FD; 1,406 FD; 1,078 FD; 474 FD)
Pat's - 1620 (1,346; 1,756; 1,631; 1,795; 1,910; 1,342; 1,599)
Rovers - 3340 (3,779; 3,794; 3,611; 1,468; 1,715; 1,089 FD; 1,539)
Shels - 1309 (781 FD; 737 FD; 972 FD; 986 FD; 888 FD; 1,690; 1,949)
Sligo - 2355 (2,103; 1,807; 1,756; 1,960; 1,448; 1,806; 1,794 FD)
UCD - 566 (558; 610; 272 FD; 546; 663; 546; 653; 306 FD)
FIRST DIVISION
Athlone - 300 (200; 354; 462; 387; 670; 421; 316)
Harps - 422 (433; 644; 480; 1,607 PD; 1,164; 428; 1,347 PD; 1,106) -
Limerick - 675 (569; 598; 429; 517; 670; 364; 669)
Longford - 392 (315; 230; 260; 406; 885 PD; 681 PD; 1,004 PD)
Mervue - 250 (349; 123; 166)
SD Galway - 205 (125; 122 - As Salthill Devon FC)
Waterford - 421 (466; 619; 434; 670; 1,181 PD; 915 PD; 1,513 PD)
Wexford - 349 (216; 343; 494; 767; 810)
PREMIER AVERAGE: 1679
FIRST DIVISION AVERAGE: 377
OVERALL AVERAGE: 1131
Last edited by nigel-harps1954; 13/08/2012 at 9:22 PM. Reason: Added Cork v Pats and Shams v Sligo.
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How so? Can you explain why?Originally Posted by gufc2000
I'd guess that the idea of a playoff to decide a league title is basically a paradox.
I'm not really a fan of playoffs myself, although don't really have too much of a problem with promotion-relegation playoffs. But a playoff for a league title is something I'd hate to see from a footballing perspective, though I appreciate it could be seen as attractive from other perspectives.
That's the thing Osarusan, it can be attractive. We're so stuck on the Anglo-centric idea of a league title that we're, well, stuck. If we can just look past it, give play-offs a rattle, it might prove fun. Imagine if Limerick finished 8th in the regular season but then knocked off the 1st placed team and won the thing outright - Champions League football and all that jazz. Right now unless Mr. O'Sullivan pumps in a couple of million a year for 3-4 years it's unlikely to happen.
At this stage I wouldn't rule out anything that might bring some life to the league, and get rid of the 1st division (without any kind of personal bias of course :-) )
We had a play-off for the league in 1993. It had to be played-off again.
The league at both ends of the table should be decided by the amount of games in the regular season. No knockouts, no play-offs, no away goals. If you have done your business at the end of the season, you reap the rewards. If you haven't, then you prepare for next season.
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Why? I'm playing devil's advocate in a sense. If Dundalk (somehow) escape relegation this year I'd hate to think of some other system that would relegate them. Likewise if they won the league (might as well dream awake as asleep) I'd be disgusted if they had to play off for the title. But I don't get the reason why we couldn't have 1 division with 20 clubs, top 8 play off for the title. Right now what we have is not working, how bad would an alternative be - christ, if economics get worse Dundalk might be 8th and get a run to the CL :-)
And that would really be great for the league and its chances of progressing, having Dundalk representing us in the CL
Exactly, the best team over the course of the season should win the league, simple as.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
Only because the rules didn't have any tie-breaking rule in place for teams finishing level on points.
I wouldn't be in favour of a playoff to decide the league but it wouldn't be the worst idea to have one for the Europa League spot. 2 v 5 and 3 v 4 in one-off matches and highest placed qualifier having home advantage for final.
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Unfortunately though I didn't think it takes too much to divert people from the LOI. Any counter attraction, especially free ones, are likely to hurt.
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Dundalk could lose just as well to teams from Wales or Lithuania as the next club. What's your point?
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For the record, I think a play off for the title is a bad idea. The team who finished first, wins. Anglo centric or whatever, they finished there on merit over a certain course of games, so they win.
However, a play-off for a Europa League spot could well be done.
As for too many teams, I made the argument before, sitting 17th in a 20 team league and having a big draw of a team pushing for the top few spaces who will bring an away crowd and a bigger home crowd is more attractive to me as a Harps fan than sitting in 5th place in the First Division, and playing Mervue, Wexford, even Longford and Limerick each week. Let's face it, the first division isn't attractive and needs to be scrapped.
An 18 or 20 team one division League of Ireland is the only way forward for the time being. Every other possible avenue has been explored and an 8 team First Division cannot possibly continue. Why not at least give it a try? If that doesn't work, the structure can be changed again. As per usual every 4/5 years.
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Because your rattling on about meaningless games and yet this is what this Championship play-off system would produce. There wouldn't be any need for the bigger clubs to go full throttle as long as they scraped into the Top 8. Totally defeats the merits of a league system
FAI Cup Final
EA Sports Cup final
Leinster/Munster senior Cup
None of these established knockout competitions have really caught the publics imagination, and with the exception of the FAI Cup have generated zero interest/profile/crowds.
beyond me why people think another knockout competition is anyway a step forward.
Results over a season = League
Results over one off game(s) = Cup
Meaningless games? Where did I say this? How will a championship play-off system produce such games? What are the merits of a league system?
Nigel has a point on a play-off below the top spot, but the most important thing of all is to get fans through the gates. The current system doesn't do this and the barstoolers can't be blamed on this one.
What I'm saying is, is that most of the pre play-off fixtures will be meaningless. The bigger teams won't have to really push themselves until they get to this stage. A league system determines who is the best team over a defined period of games, one that has a play-off system tagged on at the end doesn't.
There would be teams in 2nd or 3rd place knowing that they'll be in the top 8 playoffs with weeks to go - nothing to play for in the last games of the season (home advantage or similar notwithstanding).
The current system is the same as most leagues in the world - there is a limit to the extent to which we should be changing things to get new fans in.
Home advantage would work with a double leg playoff, but there there'd be complaints about that.
I agree about the extent of changing things, though I'm not just gearing this towards fans. There has to be something done as the figure count makes poor reading. I can see Limerick averaging a couple of thousand in the Premier in a new/old ground. Dundalk are holding up despite things and if the Fastfix rumour is true then there'll be no excuse to stay away for the hardcore moaners.
Without a playoff system a single division of 18-20 teams can/will work.
So could any club, like Bray, Limerick, Dundalk, Cork City and Wexford Youths, and yeah any team in this playoff thing thats being mentioned .... my point is we should be only sending the best teams in the league to Europe and the team that finishes highest on the table is the best measure of that.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
I know we're on the other thread in regards to the league, though sending out the best teams doesn't always happen with the current chaos, nor has it happened regularly. Like the Louth County Champions, winning the county title is everything in itself. It boils down to the club and the LOI/FAI to make sure the club performs.
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