European Football 2012

**nigel-harps1954** · 13/07/2012, 7:01 PM

Agreed, I think Bohs were very poor on the night. They've surely been better this season, especially against Shamrock Rovers? Call it jetlag or inexperience, but it was just a very poor performance.
Let's hope the 3 teams do the job in the coming week to restore a bit of faith in the league.

**SkStu** · 13/07/2012, 7:16 PM

is it safe to come back yet?

TBWRA

**Acornvilla** · 13/07/2012, 8:07 PM

Feck off Stu, this is all your fault!

**Dodge** · 13/07/2012, 9:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dalymountrower

Humiliating a night as it was for Bohs,and taking into account the young inexperienced we fielded, I do think the result is areflection on the relative standard of the league at present.

It's a reflection on the 6th or 7th best team. Don't forget it's a technicality that Bohs are there ahead of Derry

This is no more a reflection of the league than Rovers qualifying for group stages was. Freak results happen. Sometimes bad (Zimbru, Carmarthen, Gornik, Hibs, TNS), sometimes good (Zagreb, Krylya, Belgrade etc etc)

That's football. Not every single game has a deeper meaning. Sometimes teams just play ****

**Dalymountrower** · 13/07/2012, 9:48 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

It's a reflection on the 6th or 7th best team. Don't forget it's a technicality that Bohs are there ahead of Derry

This is no more a reflection of the league than Rovers qualifying for group stages was. Freak results happen. Sometimes bad (Zimbru, Carmarthen, Gornik, Hibs, TNS), sometimes good (Zagreb, Krylya, Belgrade etc etc)

That's football. Not every single game has a deeper meaning. Sometimes teams just play ****

Fair enough , I was just trying to shift the agenda, fair cop, done up like an Icelandic kipper

**Nah Nah Nah Nah** · 13/07/2012, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Agreed, I think Bohs were very poor on the night. They've surely been better this season, especially against Shamrock Rovers? Call it jetlag or inexperience, but it was just a very poor performance.
Let's hope the 3 teams do the job in the coming week to restore a bit of faith in the league.

Jetlag?! They only went up to Iceland

**nigel-harps1954** · 13/07/2012, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah

Jetlag?! They only went up to Iceland

They could have went via Russia sure.

**dfx-** · 14/07/2012, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

How? Pats progressed past a much superior team on the same night. They're more a reflection of the league than a poor Bohs side.

Pats lost away from home again. At some stage, they have to be looking for performances away fromhome. Rovers' success and to set up the big ties were not losing at home, but winning outright on the night away in Tel Aviv and Belgrade. The away games were much closer in the group stage than the home games too...

**gufcfan** · 14/07/2012, 6:05 AM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

They could have went via Russia sure.

It's only 3 hours for christ sake and they're in the same time-zone. There's loads of flights this time of year through London. Surely they went that way?

**Nah Nah Nah Nah** · 14/07/2012, 7:00 AM

Originally Posted by gufcfan

It's only 3 hours for christ sake and they're in the same time-zone. There's loads of flights this time of year through London. Surely they went that way?

I would like to think that Nigel was extracting the urine

**gufcfan** · 14/07/2012, 7:14 AM

Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah

I would like to think that Nigel was extracting the urine

It's too early in the morning for this ****! Apologies.

**Dodge** · 14/07/2012, 9:05 AM

Originally Posted by dfx-

Pats lost away from home again. At some stage, they have to be looking for performances away fromhome. Rovers' success and to set up the big ties were not losing at home, but winning outright on the night away in Tel Aviv and Belgrade. The away games were much closer in the group stage than the home games too...

Pats played poorly the other night. They went to win, they just didn't. Generally speaking Rovers have played most of the big euro 1st leg games at home, so knew what to do away. Generally speaking Pats have played most of our big 1st legs away. So the conditions and objectives are different.

With 7 ties won in the last 10 efforts, I don't think the Pats mentality can be questioned too loudly

**sligoman** · 14/07/2012, 9:41 AM

Spartak Trnava are starting their league season this evening (6.30pm k/o) against MFK Kosice, might be a stream for it later if anyone wants to check them out.

**PartySaint** · 14/07/2012, 9:45 AM

We were poor on Thursday night, we only picked up our game and started putting a few passes together when we went 2-0 down. The aim was to get through and we did that. Job done.

**nigel-harps1954** · 14/07/2012, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by gufcfan

It's too early in the morning for this ****! Apologies.

Oh dear. Easy on the sauce next time mate

**geysir** · 14/07/2012, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by PartySaint

We were poor on Thursday night, we only picked up our game and started putting a few passes together when we went 2-0 down. The aim was to get through and we did that. Job done.

Too much is being read into different performances home and and away for either team. It's an aggregrate score that gets a team through, a team sets out its stall at home, in the first leg don't concede and grab a goal. Pats managed that and sought to keep that advantage in the away game. The strange quirk is, if IBV didn't score that second goal, the tie was more likely to go to penalties.

The second leg ended at 1-0 for IBV after 90 minutes, the game ends and goes into ET, say if in ET, Pats scored just one goal and the game finished on that score, would IBV have been regarded as the winners of the 2nd leg to get the coefficient points just as Pats got the the coefficient points after the first game?

**pineapple stu** · 14/07/2012, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

The strange quirk is, if IBV didn't score that second goal, the tie was more likely to go to penalties.

Not exactly a profound statement given that once IBV scored the second goal, penalties were impossible.

**geysir** · 14/07/2012, 2:48 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Not exactly a profound statement given that once IBV scored the second goal, penalties were impossible.

I didn't claim profoundness as it's obvious that an away goal matters, just strange in the context of a game when the away goal comes after the home team goes 2 up, everything swings back to the away team. Maybe every event when it happens makes perfect sense to you, but not to me.
When that short lived ET golden rule was in vogue, it was an eerie event when the golden goal was scored.

**Dodge** · 14/07/2012, 5:47 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

The second leg ended at 1-0 for IBV after 90 minutes, the game ends and goes into ET, say if in ET, Pats scored just one goal and the game finished on that score, would IBV have been regarded as the winners of the 2nd leg to get the coefficient points just as Pats got the the coefficient points after the first game?

Well IBV won 2-1 so they get the co-efficient point anyway

The result after extra time is the result that counts (eg Rovers were credited with a win in Belgrade even though it finished 1-1 after 90 minutes)