Don't get me started on the World Cup, there should not be a rugby world cup!! I won't even bother elaborating ...Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Both games at their finest are outstanding, my personal preference at this time is rugby over soccer.
My dislike of the 'pussies' ( a Guardian write would say I'm a misogynist but it's OK as I'm in the U.S ) for want of a better word who dominate the game of soccer is pretty much all I have to put on the record!
Really! I find a good rugby game doesn't even come close to a dull football game. Rugby is fannying around on top of each other for 80 minutes and then the game is decided by a last minute kick
Couldn't agree more. Also so much of rugby is pre-rehearsed moves leading to a predictable, uninspiring play. And there is little to admire in terms of skills, pick it up, run with it, throw it, grapple. I know, I know - it's a very technical game blah, blah, blah. Horse manure!! So much technical rubbish spouted and then regurgitated by clowns who never stepped onto a rugby pitch. "He's a great 12 but he's not a 13". Groan....Really! I find a good rugby game doesn't even come close to a dull football game. Rugby is fannying around on top of each other for 80 minutes and then the game is decided by a last minute kick
you get the same from football fans "clearly he's not a full back, I don't know why he's not given a chance at, err, wing back (that's a thing, right?)"
I like that Munster type of dour end-game with a prolonged sequence of rucks and mauls, all building up to the last gasp winning drop goal from O'Gara.
It's a form of black humour.
Anyone else notice that Stutts has a definite anti-Munster bias?
Well they're not trying to tickle them...
Most those found guilty of 'eye gouging' haven't touched the actual eye of their opponent. They are usually found guilty of 'inappropriate contact in the eye area' which is basically the face.
Shane Jennings got done for it based on the reaction of Nick Kennedy, who later said he over reacted.
It used be a ploy to run the hand over the face to scare the opposition into thinking you were going to gouge them, but I think that it has stopped now (don't think it has happened in the Heineken Cup this season so far.
Rugby isn't the only sport that there can be a lot of fannying around. Hurling is probably the only all action game about.Really! I find a good rugby game doesn't even come close to a dull football game. Rugby is fannying around on top of each other for 80 minutes and then the game is decided by a last minute kick
Yeah but the reason Kennedy was so upset is because he thought somebody was going for his eyes. I know not every person actually goes for the eyes but that doesn't mean it doesn't or can't happen.
A rugby player over reacting? I thought they didn't do that.
Anyway, you make the whole pratice sound much more honourable now. I must cite rugby if I'm ever arrested for threatening to blind my neighbour next time he listens to loud music at 2am. If I actually follow through with my threat I can claim it was only inappropriate contact in the eye area
What kind of contact is appropriate in the eye area, just as a matter of interest?
I think people are getting lost in the particulars of the offence - eye-gouging is thuggery plain and simple, but it's not any supposed 'gentlemanliness' that the rugby folk might crow about: it's the fact there is a clear structure of law & punishment in the sport. Nobody questions the referees (and if you do you or your team is punished - yellow cards, reversed penalties etc.), nobody manhandles them & gives them verbal abuse; hell I've seen referees call players to task simply for swearing in their presence. And if an incident isn't caught by the referee during the match you can be damn sure it'll be cited & if found guilty, the player punished severely. Ok, some incidents slip through the net, but I'd say the hit-rate for the various citing boards is 80%-90%
Yes, the argument can be made that as a more physical & potentially dangerous sport, the associations have to police things more severely or else people get genuinely hurt; but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be held up to football as an example of where the sport could be.
yep I have to agree there
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Personally dont see the big draw with hurling. Its a good game and I usually go to a handful of games each year but not as good as some exalt it to be. Like rugby it suffers from lack of competition, meaning the number of really top class games in the championship every year are minimal. Often find with hurling matches that you could just tune into the last 20 mins and you'd have not missed too much. Like football the game can be ruined somewhat with frees and scores are relatively easily got compared to other sports.
What a stupid comment. I've only read over the last couple of pages of this thread but you have gone from having a proper debate to blindly defending the indefensible! How can you say they are not trying to blind somebody? You say it is a gentlemanly game? Yet these so called gentlemen are too stupid to think by sticking their fingers in another person’s eye, it will not cause damage?
There is a difference between gouging and unintentional contact. If you have seen real eye gouging then you would know the only reason to do it is to inflict pain and injury. There is no other reason. It is the lowest of the low that do these things.
The problem with rugby is its blatant double standards when it comes to discipline. There is a huge difference in punishments handed out to different players, in different countries for the same offences.
Anyone else watching the U20'S - have to listen to Italian commentary!!
Thanks Tets - but no access in London.
A what? Australia win at home, New Zealand win at home, South Africa win at home. Where's the contest?
The first game the egg-chasers really had to win in the WC, they lost in the first 5 minutes. Since then, they've only got worse. The postponement in Paris just delayed the customary defeat there by 3 weeks.
This debate won't be an issue should we get out of the group this summer.
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Why does it matter which is 'better'?
Let the people who enjoy soccer appreciate that and similarly with rugby/GAA. There is room for all four you know...
Ironically the one we generally prefer, we'll always be 'least good at' (even below cricket!), unless a load of Brazilians or similar enter the gene pool.
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