Dublin Super Cup

Originally Posted by Macy

And Manchester (which had an area called "Little Ireland", cos that matters). And Leeds. And London. And Brum.

New York city has "Little Italy" and "Chinatown" - how ethnically confused must they be Whatever about Manchester (city return ?) no one has mentioned teams from Leeds, London or Brum competing in next seasons Dublin Super Cup. Liveerpool was mentioned as playing hence the Liverpool reference. Do keep up now,there's a good lad

Most cities in England and Scotland saw some immigration from Ireland. Bigger Industrial centres, especially on/near west coast of UK more likely destination for Irish seeking work. Fortunately most of them did not import the sectarian bile (or nowhere near the same extent) we have seen so evident in Glasgow.

Originally Posted by sullanefc

Soooo, what we have learned from all of this is that Irish people got around back in the day. Maybe the New York Yankees have some Irish connection in their foundation. Maybe I'll start supporting them. Only if they're a good team and they win a lot mind.

In fairness, I'm not saying because there's an Irish diasporic community somewhere that makes the clubs there Irish in any way. Not at all.

Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani

In fairness, I'm not saying because there's an Irish diasporic community somewhere that makes the clubs there Irish in any way. Not at all.

How else can you say that a club is 'Irish' without reference to the diaspora and migration? Unless, of course, they're actually on this island.

Originally Posted by born2bwild

How else can you say that a club is 'Irish' without reference to the diaspora and migration? Unless, of course, they're actually on this island.

I really can't be bothered getting into all this again mate, I think I've commented enough on why Celtic is partly Irish and has a dual identity. Look at the history of the club and how it is today. That defines Celtic, not just that there happens to be a big Irish community. No club on the planet has a history similar to Celtic's. Not that I know of anyway.

Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani

I really can't be bothered getting into all this again mate, I think I've commented enough on why Celtic is partly Irish and has a dual identity. Look at the history of the club and how it is today. That defines Celtic, not just that there happens to be a big Irish community. No club on the planet has a history similar to Celtic's. Not that I know of anyway.

Hibs? Dundee Utd?

Originally Posted by A N Mouse

Hibs? Dundee Utd?

Hibs have an Irish past. It's just that - firmly in the past.

Originally Posted by Macy

Correct - sure wasn't that franchise formed in Baltimore, which is named after a place in Bornacoola on the Leitrim/ Longford border, and it had an area known as "Little Mohill". And anyway everyone knows that the Mets are a protestant club (they even have orange in their colours ffs!) and the real catholic club in New York is the yankees.


FACT (well some is..)

That made me laugh.

Originally Posted by Macy

And Manchester (which had an area called "Little Ireland", cos that matters). And Leeds. And London. And Brum.

Of course, Manchester United considered going by the alternative name of Manchester Celtic when adopting a new title from their previous one, Newton Heath. Indeed, not that it matters a huge deal, as you point out. The thing about Celtic, though, is that they overtly celebrate their Irish heritage and style themselves almost as an Irish social club of sorts. Clubs like Liverpool or Everton in other cities with significant Irish diasporas don't, at least to my knowledge. Indeed, that's not to say that Celtic styling themselves as such and playing up their purported Irishness is not motivated primarily by commercial interests, but if people want to define their Irishness (even if misguidedly) through supporting Celtic, fair enough. It's not strictly how I would define my Irishness, but then, people are different and there's no strict definition as to what constitutes "Irishness".

Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani

Hibs have an Irish past. It's just that - firmly in the past.

Surely that would mean they have a history similar to celtic's?

Dublin Super Cup is over and hopefully forever. Can this thread just be locked (as it has gone pretty much off topic) and we get back to what matters here, LOI football is back tonight.

Originally Posted by A N Mouse

Surely that would mean they have a history similar to celtic's?

Theres afew irish lads playing for them as well

Originally Posted by A N Mouse

Surely that would mean they have a history similar to celtic's?

Celtic was set-up primarily as a charity to largely help the poor Irish. Hibs were not. I don't know a club who were set-up on those principles.

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

The thing about Celtic, though, is that they overtly celebrate their Irish heritage and style themselves almost as an Irish social club of sorts. Clubs like Liverpool or Everton in other cities with significant Irish diasporas don't, at least to my knowledge. Indeed, that's not to say that Celtic styling themselves as such and playing up their purported Irishness is not motivated primarily by commercial interests, but if people want to define their Irishness (even if misguidedly) through supporting Celtic, fair enough. It's not strictly how I would define my Irishness, but then, people are different and there's no strict definition as to what constitutes "Irishness".

It's the fans that dictate what the club is, not the board. The songs played over the tannoy are the songs the fans sing. The tri-colour flys because the fans want it there, they wouldn't dare take it down. It's the fans who keep the traditions alive and are militant in defending it.

I get people abroad who feel Irish, obviously most of this forum don't. It's a black and white issue for them. I think it does a disservice to Ireland to ignore the diaspora and its importance. I'm bias though, my son was born in Scotland but his passport says he's Irish and he's being raised that way and feck anyone who says different

Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani

I get people abroad who feel Irish, obviously most of this forum don't. It's a black and white issue for them. I think it does a disservice to Ireland to ignore the diaspora and its importance. I'm bias though, my son was born in Scotland but his passport says he's Irish and he's being raised that way and feck anyone who says different

You have no idea about posters history, nevermind to jump to conclusions on their views on the diaspora, based simply on the fact they don't accept celtic's marketing strategy.

Hibs were actually set up first by the Irish community in Edinburgh, and Celtic were modelled on them to some extent 13 years later

Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani

Celtic was set-up primarily as a charity to largely help the poor Irish. Hibs were not. I don't know a club who were set-up on those principles.

I'm pretty sure Sporting Fingal were set up on the same lines.

Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Seems like its the last Dublin Super Cup to be celebrated at the Lounge.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0802/playerslounge.html

It's bar is opening this weekend for the Celtic v Dundee United game, with rebel band The Players Brigade on after. First pint is free if you wear a Celtic hooped top.

Bar open permanently in three weeks. Lounge opening in 4-6 weeks. It appears you shot your load too quickly there comrade

I think I said in a previous post that I have had the pleasure of the players.
It's Celtic I hate.

Free shots for anyone in any celtic shirt i say !!

Originally Posted by BonnieShels

I think I said in a previous post that I have had the pleasure of the players.
It's Celtic I hate.

Fair enough

I see there's a charity game a few weeks ago in Tolka, gutted there's no fans v legends game this year, that would have raised more. Wasn't fit last year and was wrecked after 10 minutes. Play for a GAA and soccer team now and am super fit and there's no fecking game! Even Bobby Brown was out running me last year desperate to make amends

Originally Posted by bullit

Free shots for anyone in any celtic shirt i say !!

Feck that, give me a good old fashioned pint

I don't actually have a home strip don't wear jerseys just have a polo phirt