Ah well, somewhere for you to visit....
no, no and yes.Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Ah well, somewhere for you to visit....
I started using the term during the discussion of the CAS case. I often use 'FAI' to describe roI too. It's just a bit of a habit now.Your description reminds me of when the Irish Times used to advertise a separate, lower price in the 'Sterling area' (ie, Britain)
Does he?Apart from the guy who's thanked you for this post, you mean? Not that I'm suggesting he sends people ordnance in the post, like.
Honestly though, I don't think I've ever heard of, or spoken to, anyone seriously wishing ill-will on nationalist players who opt to stick with the IFA. Have you?
Was it Nacho Novo?When was the last time a Rangers player received death threats due to the club he played for? It's as if you perceive some sort of equivalence between 'fans' of Rangers and Celtic.PP
Do you remember that little ditty the Parkhead japesters (it's only a bit o craic!) used to sing about him?
Here's a reminder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-QX9...layer_embedded
Two cheeks of the same arse
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Misleading Thread Title.
Reported.
Paddy McCourt, Niall McGinn and Crab Lennon. "Irish Stars." Really??
You took your time digging that up.You'll forgive me if I don't remember it as it's the first time I've ever seen it.
The next time a Rangers manager or player receives bullets through the post or credible death threats or a Rangers fan is murdered solely for wearing their team colours then your jibe will unfortunately have some resonance. Until then, it's nothing but a ****poor attempt at relativist whataboutery.
Last edited by Plastic Paddy; 13/01/2011 at 8:21 PM.
Semper in faecibus sole profundum variat
PP: it's a bit of a roundabout argument, that. If you invite Celtic's critics to respond to questions with answers detailing the sectarian minority within the club's fanbase, then any reply is pretty much bound to be "relativist whataboutery". Or absolutist arsecheekery, in reality. They're as bad as each other.
Says yet another person who's been nowhere Celtic Park or Ibrox....
Yes there's a few Neds high on Buckie & blow who follow Celtic and some decent Rangers fans (know five myself, mainly 'lapsed'! At least one said they were "too bigoted") but people should really make the effort to observe the evidence first-hand.
Not just rely on their own very simple prejudices. Which could almost be equated with the very bigotry they're accusing both clubs of.
The self-righteous brigade should just remember the general reaction by UEFA & host city's populace to the last two times each side reached a European Final.
One set of fans won an award from UEFA, the other rioted each time, once when the 'Big screen' failed!
Let you guess which....
Celtic fans sing songs about the Provos and interrupt minutes silences for dead people.
Being better than the darkside doesn't equal being good either. Compare Celtic fans behaviour to normal peoples behaviour innit.
I've had a guided tour of Ibrox, actually. If not during a game.
Your rank pulling (as someone who goes to Parkhead basically as a tourist three or four times per year) is a bit silly. I grew up with Old Firm fans- my (then predominantly Rangers supporting) primary school was next door to Cliftonville FC, the next school along was Celtic. I've been watching, listening to and reading about their games- and talking about them to people who actually live in Glasgow- for decades. I don't need to be a regular at St Johnstone or Killie to conclude that the Old Firm as a pair are the problem. Clue's in the name.
Some Celtic/Irish fans/people sing rebel songs. Some of which mention The 'Ra.
But then again 'normal' people listen to the violent lyrics of certain musical genres. What's your point?
Presumably you don't know the Rangers equivalents? They make rebel songs seem benign by comparison.
And a 'minutes silence', Hmm, the last one was for the Ibrox Disaster on 2/1/11, impeccably observed on all sides.
As ever, you're wrong about me! And you're telling me children no older than 10 indulged in the most extreme rituals of Celtic & Rangers. Even in '70's "Beal-feirste", that sounds a major stretch of a fertile imagination.
And the 'watching, listening to and reading about' is an even bigger distortion of the truth, given your claimed apparent apathy on them.
It's hardly relevant to now, the subsequent behaviour of both sets of fans(& clubs) by comparison since and if you're so 'knowledgeable' on the subject it's hardly reflected in incisive opinion of such. Just the usual tired cliches they're "both the same".
As ever these things turn in to "you're more biggoted than us".
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
'Bigoted'.
The point is Celtic won the UEFA fans award (as did Ireland), which is conspicious by its absence in the proximity of Govan. So Yes, they're EXACTLY the same.
It's a truism, actually. But thanks for your interest.
Good man Paddy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ic/9361068.stm
Don't let the cowards win.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
No. The whole point is that they are not "as bad as each other". Drunken neds and idiots on one side (and I am not denying or justifying their actions) do not equal the death threats, bullets through the post and murders emanating from the other. To pass them off as somehow equal is to ignore all the evidence, and quite the strangest application of the "parity of esteem" concept that I have yet come across.
Semper in faecibus sole profundum variat
I answered your point, as did NB. You chose to avoid it with the lazy assumption that threats from a minority of Celtic fans are less credible than those from Rangers' equivalent. Do you have any actual evidence for this, or is it just biased guesswork?
I haven't ignored any evidence. Nor, unlike you, drawn any silly parallel with wider society and politics, etc. Rangers and Celtic both have large minorities of Ned fans, recognised as and a pain in the hole to the rest of Scotland, and beyond. I realise it's an embarrassment for the reasonable majority like yourself, but don't wish it away.
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