Squad/Team v Russia/Slovakia

[SkStu]

just a quick question here... does anybody agree with Trappatoni in that we are in a position to purposely exclude players from the squad for not showing up for training camps or for questioning his "autoritay"? I realise it is his show and he picks the squads i just cant get my head around how begrudging he can be and how many players have been frozen out by Trappatoni at this stage. Its quite damaging to irish football in my opinion at a time when the appeal international football to players and most other countries is on the wane anyway.

[Closed Account]

Why not quote me in full?

I see your point, but its moot. Look, I'm not trying to get into an argument with you. I'd like to see McCarthy called up too. I agree he's a class act. He's not one for the future, he's one for now.

My point is this. He missed the last meaningful training camp. Trapattoni, in qualifier mode as I've already said, doesn't want to waste time teaching McCarthy the system. He's already on record saying that he'll be involved in November. He's already on record saying that Fahey and Green impressed and it'd be unfair to drop either. I'm not asking you to agree with Giovanni, I'm asking you to understand him. Capiche?.

I've never said I wouldn't call him up, because I would. I explained more than once to you now why I think Trap hasn't called him up. What I (or you for that matter) would do if we were Ireland manager has no relevance because neither of us are international soccer managers. I referred to him as 7th choice because Giovanni has called up 6 central midfielders ahead of him in the last week. As I've said before I'm not trying to get in an argument with you, you called my initial point on this invalid with no evidence to back up your claim. Just relax.

[greendeiseboy]

Why not quote me in full?

I've never said I wouldn't call him up, because I would. I explained more than once to you now why I think Trap hasn't called him up. What I (or you for that matter) would do if we were Ireland manager has no relevance because neither of us are international soccer managers. I referred to him as 7th choice because Giovanni has called up 6 central midfielders ahead of him in the last week. As I've said before I'm not trying to get in an argument with you, you called my initial point on this invalid with no evidence to back up your claim. Just relax.

What are you on about?

[Closed Account]

What are you on about?

Ah come on now, this is getting ridiculous, like talking to the wall.

Not really valid - A lot of the squads that he's named has had new players in it whether its for competitive games or not.

Just forget about it.

So Fridays game. Line up is pretty iron cast yeah?
Given
O'Shea
Dunne
St Ledger
Kilbane
Lawrence
Whelan
Green
McGeady
Doyle
Keane

I think there is enough in the wide areas and up front to nick a goal and we'll obviously be looking for a clean sheet. Who plays right wing for Russia?

[Stuttgart88]

I think Duff starts every time if he's fit.

[tetsujin1979]

I think there is enough in the wide areas and up front to nick a goal and we'll obviously be looking for a clean sheet. Who plays right wing for Russia?

Is it not Everton's Bilyaletdinov?

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

I think Duff starts every time if he's fit.

He's out of both games though isn't he?

[Closed Account]

This was their last line up and their preferred positions but I have no idea how they actually lined up.

		Akinfeev
Anyukov	Berezutsky	Ignashevich	Zhirkov
		Shirokov			
	Zyryanov	Semshov			
	Arshavin	Dzagoev
		Pogrebnyak

[Stuttgart88]

He's out of both games though isn't he?

Only just heard that. He's effing jinxed. Still, Trap's a lucky manager because missing our best players regularly doesn't count as bad luck.

[Stuttgart88]

I've been watching Arshavin a fair bit for Arsenal and the guy is so inconsistent, even within games. He's capable of absolute brilliance and rank sloppiness at any time.

[geysir]

Yes, he missed the training camp but you have to remember that he's only 19 and last season was his first season playing at the top level. He did travel over to get assessed by the team doctor so it's not like he just made a phonecall. If Trapattoni is holding this against him it's very petty.

Did McCarthy travel over before/after it was announced he was pulling out. I didn't read that he was assessed by the FAI doctor.

[Stuttgart88]

Marc Wilson called up, but seemingly due to Kelly & O'Dea's withdrawal rather than because of Andrews' withdrawal.

[Charlie Darwin]

Marc Wilson called up, but seemingly due to Kelly & O'Dea's withdrawal rather than because of Andrews' withdrawal.

Why do you say that?

Arshavin was muck against Chelsea but Chamakh was offering him absolutely nothing so I'd expect him to do better with Pogrebnyak or Pav up there.

[greendeiseboy]

Did McCarthy travel over before/after it was announced he was pulling out. I didn't read that he was assessed by the FAI doctor.

About 10 paragraphs down

http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/mc...s-2274987.html

[EastTerracer]

Marc Wilson called up, but seemingly due to Kelly & O'Dea's withdrawal rather than because of Andrews' withdrawal.

Why do you say that?

The Irish Times report contained the following account of Trapattoni's press conference - clearly Trap sees Wilson as defensive cover for Kelly and not as a midfield option.

Asked if he would call up any replacements, Trapattoni replied: “No, we have enough wingers here. With Stephen Kelly missing, we are a defender short, so we have called up Marc Wilson.”

[tetsujin1979]

Who plays right wing for Russia?

Ken Early just mentioned on Off The Ball that he asked a Russian journalist this earlier on, and it'll be Vladimir Bystrov of Zenit St Petersburg - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Bystrov - the fastest player in the Russian league apparently

[Charlie Darwin]

The Irish Times report contained the following account of Trapattoni's press conference - clearly Trap sees Wilson as defensive cover for Kelly and not as a midfield option.

Asked if he would call up any replacements, Trapattoni replied: “No, we have enough wingers here. With Stephen Kelly missing, we are a defender short, so we have called up Marc Wilson.”

I wonder if he just got confused between Wilson and Coleman because surely there's no other reason for the latter's call-up.

[elroy]

If those reports have some truth, it would appear Keith Treacy has shot his Ireland career in the foot.

Not sure have I missed something here? Preston have requested that Treacy is not called up as he needs treatment. Apparently he can only play 60 mins at the moment due to a groin problem.

Duffer is a big loss lads, even with his advancing years he is still probably our most creative outlet. With lawro on one wing, Duffer on the left, we have serious talent on the wings. Time for McGeady to step up (AGAIN!)

At the moment, Betfair has us slight favourites.

[geysir]

About 10 paragraphs down

http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/mc...s-2274987.html

I would be more inclined to believe Trap than the Herald.
Traps press conf May 17
Trapattoni revealed that McCarthy 'is exhausted' after a run of 20 consecutive Premier League games with Wigan since January.
'I spoke with Roberto Martinez [Wigan manager] and he said McCarthy played a lot of games this season and needs a rest. I agreed and he will not be with us next week,' said Trapattoni

[geysir]

Not sure have I missed something here? Preston have requested that Treacy is not called up as he needs treatment. Apparently he can only play 60 mins at the moment due to a groin problem.

I did write "if", because earlier report quoted Treacy as tired and welcomed a break. Later reports suggest the Preston requests for treatment.

I like the Italian system, trust nobody - call all the stragglers in and see how they are for yourself.