Agreed a brilliant performance. So gutted for them.
With respect Jebus, its hard to get over being done out of a world cup place. Limerick can always get promoted next year, world cup only comes around every 4 years.Originally Posted by jebus
But I take you point that football is now a cheating game, its never hit home more than tonight and I for one am getting sick of it.
Agreed a brilliant performance. So gutted for them.
Always look on the bright side of life
There is so much sanctimonuous bullsh1t on here.
Get over it - cheating is part of the game. You can't choose which cheating you accept and which you don't. Earlier in the game Henry called for a throw that was not his - it did not come off O'Shea as he claimed. That was cheating. Every player in every junior league in the country has done the same.
It is up to the officials to see things - it is not up to Henry to ref the game. Chance your arm (literally) and you might get away with it. From a French perspective it would have been criminal for him NOT to try it.
We were brilliant. We did not deserve to lose. But footall is not a game for fair - it is a game for doing what you have to do.
FIFA could fix the problem of diving and other cheating in two weeks if they wanted to - but they don't have the balls and football managers are happy to live with double standards. A retrospective ban would have a big effect...
In the event lets not lose the run of ourselves - after all we did not bitch and moan when we got a penalty that wasn't against Georgia. That's life. That's football.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
I agree with Souness - it was a natural reaction and most players would have done the same - sure Doyle admitted as much in his interview.
The person who should be held to account is def the linesman - the ref was unsighted, and he had a cracking game
Ireland deserve to be in SA but then a team has to take its chances too
I'd honestly take Limerick getting promoted over Ireland getting to the World Cup any day of the week
I'd blame the linesman for that. You even saw it with the players afterwards where neither Doyle or Kilbane said they'd blame Henry, they'd blame the linesman.
Kilbane rightly said that it happens in football and Henry probably couldn't believe he got away with it
Doyle said they all do it and it happens in a flash so he wouldn't blame Henry
It happens, it's sickening that what was probably the best Irish performance since Holland, and arguably since Italia 90 (most pride for me anyway) ended with us going out to a goal like that, but that's football, happens all the time
How is it natural to guide the ball with your hand into the direction of your foot?
tbh thats just media spin, they do not want to be percived to be blaming a fellow professional. Oh to be a fly on the irish dressing room wall to hear what was said....
I would have done what Henry did. It is natural to seek to push the rules. At that stage of the game what are the odds? Get caught - take your yellow and big deal. Get away with it and your in the World Cup finals. I know what I'd do.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
I'd say they didn't want to be shown up as hypocrites because I'm sure I could pick out games that both have played in where their team has benefited from dubious decisions and they danced around the place after the goal
It's hardly a mystery. They called him a cheating French c**t. But he's a cheating French c**t going to South Africa.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
True the ref should of seen it and blow it up, but I can't help but be lef with a sick feeling after watching the way he handled the ball.
The game is getting worse at the top level it all about getting away with it if the ref doesnt see it them fair game.
Givens.......6.5
O'Shea......7.5
Dunne.......9
St Ledger ..8
Kilbane......7
Lawrence...9
Whelan......8
Andrews....8
Duff..........8
Keane.......9
Doyle........8
Subs
Gibson.......6.5
McShane....6
McGeady....6
yep agree big time ref / linesman / 4th officall are there to see big decisions like this offside 2 players linesman looking straight at itno flag and they all missed 2 hand ball by henry
from fifa.com rules of the game 2009/2010
decisions of the referee "the decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including wheter or not a goal has been scored and the results of a match are final. the referee may only change a decision on realising that it is incorrect, or at his discretion, on the advice of assistant referee or fourth officall, provided he has not restarted play or terminated match " so what the fluck was fourth offical doing when ball was handled and i'm sure he must have seen replays before match restarted
so he could have also advised referee..probally clutching at straws here .. wonder what fifa will have to say on issue their website has match report which states an angled ball played back by henry for gallas to head in about sums it all up .
" football is a simple game "
Yeah therefore what they said on camera wasnt their true sentiments on the issue!
The games been that way for years, it's just that we're on the end of it this time
Maybe, like I said the game is becomming very unattractive with all this cheating be it in champions league, premiership, or international.
I agree. I've said in real life and on this forum in the past few weeks/months that I'm sick to the teeth of football
Things like the engrained cheating and the acceptance from fans (until it goes against you) are part of why I'm sick of it
You can't say c**t on RTE unless its Sex and the City.
But these are professionals who know the suss.
But of course you're sick. We're all sick. But that's football and why we love it so much.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
Why even bother if we accept cheating? Where's the point of putting in a hard working honest effort if it is taken away by a combination of cheating and corruption/ineptness of the officials? And it is not good enough to simply say well if we did it we would accept it. Point is that we did not score off 2 handballs and 2 offsides.
I wonder sometimes about this sport. I love it to death but there is so much cheating and corruption that I feel I need some time away from it.
Robbie Keane says it right:
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?...v=ap&type=lgns“Of course it is an easy decision to do the seedings,” Keane said. “They’re probably all clapping their hands, Platini sitting there on the phone to Sepp Blatter, texting each other, delighted with the result, with France (getting through).”
“Of course, over the two legs we were certainly the better team. I can’t recall them having many chances tonight. We caused them many problems. But at the end of the day they’re through,” Keane said. “We can keep our heads up, in the manner that we played. As captain I am very proud to be part of this team, I’m just gutted we didn’t make it to the end.”
Keane played many times for Tottenham against Henry when the Frenchman played for Arsenal until joining Barcelona two years ago, and was seething that Henry used his hand to guide the ball into his feet and then onto Gallas.
“Devastated to be honest with you. The way we played we deserved to win the game, there’s no question about that,” Keane said. “We saw it (on the replay). We knew anyway. When you see the reaction of goalkeeper Shay (Given), he’s two yards away from it. You don’t get a reaction like that (otherwise). He almost caught it and walked into the net with it.”
Still, Keane felt he should have won the match, missing a great chance late in the second half when France goalkeeper Hugo Lloris forced him wide and Keane pushed the ball out of touch as he tried to get the ball under control.
“My touch let me down, I should have taken it round the ‘keeper. I’m absolutely devastated,” Keane said.
"Jacques Santini...will be greeted in every dugout of the country by "one-nil, one-nil" - Clive Tyldsley, 89th minute of France-England June 13, 2004.
"Ooooohhhh Nooooooo" Bobby Robson 91st minute.
Cry me a river, if the roles had been reversed and Robbie had handled and crossed for Dunne to head home and put us on the plane we'd all be still in the pub laughing about it
The hypocrisy of football fans really knows no end
And Keane attempted to use his hand a number of times in the game so he can do one as well.
Seething because Henry is a better football and cheater no doubt
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