That's a good point Drumcondra, however each Manager wants to mould the team in his own image and from what I saw last season and this there isn't a whole lot of grit in the side, or at least they try to play too much football. I reckon he'll turn it around and he'll have the side back in the top flight in a couple of years.
Yeah man thats obvious but rest as in not kicking a ball AT ALL!!!???Originally Posted by John83
Not all footballers love playing golf every day
In fairness to Mick McCarthy, the players all had a long hard season and he was facing into a competition where they would have to play at least 3 tough competitive games in two weeks and possibly more games. If the players had niggly injuries, etc, rest was the best thing for them. And it would be better to get the p*ss-ups out of the way in Saipan, than during the actual world cup.
Keane was wrong imo. Players need downtime as much as everyone else. Ya can't expect them to be training all the time. I don't think training or not in Saipan would have made one ounce of difference to Ireland's performance at the WC.
As for Keane, you can't judge any manager after 10 games in charge. Give him at least a whole season and then decide if he is up to it or not. Some managers make great starts and then end up being useless. Some managers make bad starts but over time prove themselves. It took at least 3 years before Man Utd were a decent team under Alex Ferguson. It took him those 3 years to get rid of the drink culture at Man Utd and underperforming players, and build a new team and get them to gel together. Imagine if those fans and pundits who wanted Ferguson fired in his first few years got their way?
Last edited by Emmet7; 26/10/2009 at 12:25 AM.
If Stan Staunton were getting the results Roy is getting then he would be getting some stick on here !
"Retreating to a safe distance as I expect a bombardment for that remark"
Why ?
It's true.
Its not true.I think drawing away to Sheff Utd and Plymouth as manager of Ipswich is not comparable with losing 5-2 away to Cyprus as manager of Ireland - get real
Well playing league football for 3 months and failing to win even one game, is a dreadful record and just as bad as Stan achieved with Ireland. Keane is a failure
Always look on the bright side of life
According to the Mirror, Peter Taylor is to be appointed as his number 2. I wonder is that a Keane appointment or from above. I suppose he has a bit of experience especially as a coach .. but his record is not exactly great ... made a bit of a haims of the Leicester job when he took over after Martin O Neill.
That's 2 results! Not managing to win a home match in the league over 7 games by the end of October is not comparable with beating Wales and Slovakia and drawing with the Czech Reublic and Germany. There's no escaping the fact that Keane's been a disaster this season so far, anyone in denial of that is embarrassing themselves.
What he should be worried about is his club slipping into League 1. (People on here will point out that Keane said he'd get Ipswich out the Championship in a year)
He'll leave Ipswich in a mess like he did with us and let someone else sort it out. And que his full range of excuses. "Promises were broken", "The players went behind my back", "There was interference from the outside", etc.
If this is true then it has to be worth a go.
There is definitely something wrong with the "Keane management team" whether its just Keane himself or not is a good question though.
Taylor was a great coach of the England under21s but has had mixed fortunes as a manager.
Maybe Taylor may be better as just a coach.
I hope it works out as I would like any Irishman to do well as a manager.
He did what was expected of him. We weren't bottom when Keane took over. We were 3rd bottom after 5 games. Quinn got his only win the day before Keane took over. He did a good job getting Sunderland up but after that he did a poor job. £50m to keep a team up by the skin of its teeth.
Peter Reid, Iain Dowie, Kevin Keegan, Steve Bruce, Phil Brown and Billy Davies did similar jobs with championship clubs. So its do-able.
Ok, its been a disaster so far this season, but to compare him to that idiot Staunton as a manager is ludicrous.
The original point made was that if Staunton was having a run of results like Keane is having he'd be getting slaughtered on here. That's undoubtedly true.
How you can disagree with that is what's ludicrous. Think about it.
Who is being ludicrous?
You are asking the impossible, Den is not a thinker.
Context is an alien concept to him.
An argument to him, means expressing an endless loop of scattered uncoordinated reactions, garnered together from the fringes of emotional impressions.
Ipswich Town FC, with its squad of players and its resources should not be bottom of the Championship and without a win. FACT.
Roy Keane's spending in bringing Sunderland to the Premiership was a Championship equivalent of what Chelsea spent in the Premiership. This has to be taken into consideration when lauding that "achievement".
He was then stuck with a lot of players not of Premiership quality who he paid over the odds for and he failed again in football.
I am so sick of the Keanophile media following his every move that I hope he does lose his job soon. I really don't care about Ipswich otherwise!
I do have an interest in Sunderland beacuse the chairman is a gentleman and an Irish legend (and also because of Andy Reid).
Can you please explain your reasons for your idiotic rant above? I think "context" may be a concept that is alien to you
Last edited by Den Perry; 27/10/2009 at 12:28 PM.
The good old "staunton is an idiot" reply......getting a bit sick of hearing that to be honest
Stan had a shocker as a manager of ireland ....but he had ZERO experience as a manager
Roy has experience as a manager in the championship already as well as the prem. Now dont get me wrong i realise that his experience is a couple of seasons old but its enough experience to allow ipswich a better record than 0 wins, 8 draws and 6 loses out of 14 league games considering he has been given cash to spend and that jim magilton had somewhat of a settled side pre roys arrival
I hope roy turns things round -cos the more irish managers the better ...but the staunton comparison is non - sensical imo considering one was a failed international manager with zero previous intl or club management experience and the other is a currently a club manager who has previous management experience and has been given transfer funds to boost his team.
This is not an anti roy point - all i am saying i just dont see the point in comparing the 2
I am not one of the "Roy can't do anything wrong brigade". That said I do like him and have a lot more regard for him than Staunton.The Staunton comparison is non-sensical, however, that's why I had to respond.
Last edited by Den Perry; 27/10/2009 at 12:48 PM.
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