The Derry City thread - Derry sign first four players

**awec** · 25/10/2009, 9:34 PM

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but surely this constant problems is an indicator that full time football does not work in the LOI?

Surely the FAI should be putting measures in place to protect clubs from this sort of thing?

**brendy_�ire** · 25/10/2009, 9:37 PM

Originally Posted by awec

I see on Irish league forums theres a thread regarding you joining the Irish League.

Curious as to what Derry City fans views on this would be? Would you be happy to do it if it meant you continued to exist?

This comes up every so often, and to be honest, it's done to death. Dunno why Liam Coyle is getting involved either.

No, we don't want to join the Irish League. And no, we won't ever, ever want to join at any stage in the future.

It would probably save us money in the short term (less travel, lower wages), but in the long run our crowds would plummet and we'd have extra security costs.

BTW, it's funny to note Jeffrey holding Linfield up as an example of how to run a club. It'd be great if we all could get an extra �800,000 a year from our national association, more than the turnover of most other clubs in the IL.

Also interesting to note that it was, apparently, our decision to leave the IL.

**awec** · 25/10/2009, 9:43 PM

Whilst Linfield do profit massively from the IFA, it's nowhere near the 800k you're suggesting.

**CSFShels** · 25/10/2009, 9:44 PM

Originally Posted by awec

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but surely this constant problems is an indicator that full time football does not work in the LOI?

Surely the FAI should be putting measures in place to protect clubs from this sort of thing?

They have, they just haven't enforced them (and won't). The 65% thing etc. They can't tell clubs they can't sign players on fulltime contracts. For obvious reasons.

**dcfc_1928** · 25/10/2009, 9:47 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/8324752.stm

Linfield are ready to renegotiate a contract with the Irish FA over Windsor Park, which saw the Blues get �800,000 last year from N Ireland matches.

The club is currently entitled to 15% of revenue from international games for the use of its ground - a deal which has angered other Premiership teams.

Linfield chairman Jim Kerr has now told rival clubs that they are prepared to "tear up" the existing agreement.

The IFA said on Thursday that the contract would be renegotiated soon.

Originally Posted by awec

Whilst Linfield do profit massively from the IFA, it's nowhere near the 800k you're suggesting.

**awec** · 25/10/2009, 9:50 PM

Good find actually. This year has been higher than usual though I'm led to believe.

**Dazzy** · 25/10/2009, 10:16 PM

Derry can't rejoin the Irish League under their rules unless they move to a different stadia.

See the Oxford decision.

**corkharps** · 25/10/2009, 10:46 PM

Sure why don't Harps and Monaghan join their Ulster brethern?

**Graemerz** · 25/10/2009, 11:08 PM

Gutter journalism at best, two weeks ago Linfield got �400,000 from the IFA deal, over the fortnight it has risen to �800,000. it all depends who you listen to.

Regardless of the figures, DJ is correct. For years now players have turned us down to play for other clubs who pay bigger wages. There is a tight wage structure at Linfield, with or without the money we have rightfully received from the IFA we would not be in the position Derry and a few other clubs have found themselves in this season.

Oh and it was Derry's decision to quit the Irish League.

**Graemerz** · 25/10/2009, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dazzy

Derry can't rejoin the Irish League under their rules unless they move to a different stadia.

See the Oxford decision.

Back in the 80's the Brandywell was a very unsafe place for Protestants to go to. Although its still not ideal Derry really could not play that card again considering the likes of Linfield and Glentoran have been going to the Brandywell now for the past three seasons.

**awec** · 25/10/2009, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Graemerz

Back in the 80's the Brandywell was a very unsafe place for Protestants to go to. Although its still not ideal Derry really could not play that card again considering the likes of Linfield and Glentoran have been going to the Brandywell now for the past three seasons.

They've hardly been uneventful visits have they? (The Linfield ones).

**Graemerz** · 25/10/2009, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by awec

They've hardly been uneventful visits have they? (The Linfield ones).

Its certainly not ideal, but compared to what it was back in the bad old days its a walk in the park. With proper policing or the boys looking after the area

it might pass through realitively peaceful if it became the "norm"

**eelmonster** · 25/10/2009, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Graemerz

Back in the 80's the Brandywell was a very unsafe place for Protestants to go to.

I'd imagine, in the 80s, Windsor Park was bedecked in red and white [and blue] bunting when Derry were in town.

**Dazzy** · 25/10/2009, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Graemerz

Back in the 80's the Brandywell was a very unsafe place for Protestants to go to. Although its still not ideal Derry really could not play that card again considering the likes of Linfield and Glentoran have been going to the Brandywell now for the past three seasons.

Who said it has anything to do with the safety of visiting fans?

Its in relation to the council only giving Derry(and anyone else) a 1 year lease on the Brandywell.

**MariborKev** · 25/10/2009, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Graemerz

Regardless of the figures, DJ is correct. For years now players have turned us down to play for other clubs who pay bigger wages. There is a tight wage structure at Linfield, with or without the money we have rightfully received from the IFA we would not be in the position Derry and a few other clubs have found themselves in this season.

Oh and it was Derry's decision to quit the Irish League.

Keep paying �25k and the like from McHugh and you'll soon be in the same spot.

Decision to quit? Let's recap.

-Trouble forces up to play in Coleraine
-Cops give signed letter clearing games in the Brandy, this is sent to the IFA. IFA, obviously crack security experts, decide to ignore this and say Derry must play in Coleraine. Derry unable to sustain this, resign.
-Derry apply every year until 1984, with appropriate police assurances, are rejected every year.

But yeah, it was our decision

**Graemerz** · 25/10/2009, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by MariborKev

Keep paying �25k and the like from McHugh and you'll soon be in the same spot.

Decision to quit? Let's recap.

-Trouble forces up to play in Coleraine
-Cops give signed letter clearing games in the Brandy, this is sent to the IFA. IFA, obviously crack security experts, decide to ignore this and say Derry must play in Coleraine. Derry unable to sustain this, resign.
-Derry apply every year until 1984, with appropriate police assurances, are rejected every year.

But yeah, it was our decision

Ack you'll say one thing we'll say another. Fact is Derry quit the Irish League, therefore it was Derry's decision.

**MariborKev** · 25/10/2009, 11:35 PM

Ack, you keep believing the word of Harry Cavan and the rest of the clowns in the IFA at the time.

Perhaps you might want to have a look at the antics of David Bowen in the 84-85 period.

**Graemerz** · 25/10/2009, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by MariborKev

Ack, you keep believing the word of Harry Cavan and the rest of the clowns in the IFA at the time.

Perhaps you might want to have a look at the antics of David Bowen in the 84-85 period.

I'm not disputing your problems in the past with the IFA, they are a rubbish out of date organisation with only the interests of the International team at heart. I'd dare say the FAI are just as bad. Derry and the support however were no angels and the sooner you believe that, we all can move on.

My personal opinion on your club is somewhat similar to DJ's. I have no sympathy for your club, but would we like to see you back in the Irish League? Hell yeah.

**MariborKev** · 25/10/2009, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by Graemerz

Derry and the support however were no angels and the sooner you believe that, we all can move on.

Where did I say we were- check out my blog(link in sig) to see my thoughts on the behaviour of our support at Windsor.

As for the club, I am on record as criticising their spending over the last 3-4 years.

**Graemerz** · 25/10/2009, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by MariborKev

Where did I say we were- check out my blog(link in sig) to see my thoughts on the behaviour of our support at Windsor.

As for the club, I am on record as criticising their spending over the last 3-4 years.

Fair enough review. Kudos.

Your spending hasn't been good but your wages are your main problem i imagine. Also your deal with Dungannon was a rather drawn out neglection on your clubs part. Tell ye what you are lucky our board ****ed up on the Thomas Stewart saga!