He did very well for Charlton in the premiership and his first half season with Sunderland. In a central position though.Originally Posted by endabob1
The commentator of the match on Tuesday said he has followed Reid's career from the start and actually thought he was doing well for Spurs and was surprised they let him go.
I wasn't, I was reasonably regular at Spurs when he was there (I witnessed his one and only goal against Villa) and he wasn't up to the grade, that said Spurs were a decent side when he was there especially the second season when they should have finished 4th, he struggled to get into the team and when he did he couldn't nail down a place
Reidy was outstanding for Charlton. MOM nearly every week. He can cut it at that level no bother.
Maybe he reads foot.ie. After all, the site seems to be proliferated by "lose weight fast" advertisements lately.
lampard is an example of a player who upped his game after losing weight. I took over a minute off my 10k times last year just by losing 1kg. It all counts!
even while not at peak condition he was still a fit player, capable of putting in a hard shift over the 90 minutes. We don't doubt that. However, now he's lost weight, how much better can he get?
It's a simple fact that more weight requires more oxygen & energy to carry. Look at Bradley Wiggins in this year's TdF, and he was already in superb condition. He probably went too far and can't sustain his TdF weight without compromising his health, but it's still illustrative.
Interesting article here:
http://thesportfactory.com/site/trai...r_Engine.shtml
A simple analogy would be that your car would be less fuel efficient if the boot was full of suitcases.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 26/08/2009 at 11:43 AM.
That Level being bottom 3 in the EPL or the Chump?
Don't get me wrong, I like him and would love him to prove me wrong but he has failed to deliver consistently anywhere above the bottom half of the EPL (and I think I'm being generous with that statement) so while i think he merits his place in the squad I wouldn't have him starting except home games against minnows where he might be able to create something different.
Does that not just equate to him failing to deliver consistently at Spurs considering they're the only top half premiership team he played for?
He's hardly set the world alight at Sunderland either which is why I said I was being generous with my "above bottom half" & I wasn't sure where Sunderand finished in when Reid went there first and so was giving him the benefit of the doubt.
He lost that weight, doesn't mean he needed to!
Regradless ot the correctness of your statement, even a Fat Andy provides WAY more quality than a fit Miller and many more. He was obviously left out of the squad for more reasons than perceived fitness issues.
At the very least, a slimmer Reid playing for Sunderland regularily will effect a positive change in perception about the professional ambitions of the player, upon the Irish management.
I'd say there's a huge chance that Sunderland would have been relegated if they didn't sign Reid.
Aston Villa 0-1 Sunderland
"The team showed the measured calm and assurance of their manager: with Andy Reid dictating play in midfield, Sunderland created a succession of half-chances, only to be let down by a lack of confidence in front of goal."
Man of the match: Reid.
Sunderland 2-1 West Ham
"While it may be pushing it to suggest that he is Sunderland's answer to Ferenc Puskas, few would deny that the Dubliner appears the antithesis of the "modern" Premier League midfielder. Or that Reid has transformed Keane's side since arriving from Charlton in January. Curvier, slower and generally less athletic than his more conventionally constructed counterparts he may be but Reid boasts the sharpest football brain and the best left foot in Sunderland's dressing room.
Like his manager he can see the bigger picture and routinely spots openings before anyone else. Able to deliver laser- like long-range passes with minimal backlift, he compensates lack of pace by the sort of adhesive touch that enables him to control and release the ball more quickly than most team-mates."
Man of the match Andy Reid The man whose vision and passing range has given Sunderland a hitherto missing creative edge which has inspired their recent renaissance. Typically Reid helped create the equaliser before wrapping up the points on the whistle
Fulham 1-3 Sunderland
Reid 8/10
I don't know how you get your information Eirebhoy, but you sure know how to back up your argument. The fact is Andy Reid could be just what we need in midfield to bring on, even if not to start (though IMO he should start) No one else can pick a pass in our squad like him. We all know its not over weight that Andy is not in the squad and I'll be damned if we don't manage to qualify because a stubborn old Italian man won't forgive and forget when the interests of our nations football team are at stake.
“I’d always play Pirlo but Trapatoni says his first concern is to avoid losing goals. The truth is that we didn’t know what we were doing out there" Gennaro Gattuso, June 2004.
I am just amazed at the number of posters in here who cannot recognise the abilities of Andy (plus or minus 5kg) mentioned above, and the absolute travesty of him not even being in our very limited squad.
Told you!
That Villa game mentioned a few posts up in the start of Sunderland's good run to keep them up was actually Reid's first game in the centre for Sunderland. Here's graphs of his passing from some of the games in his first season with Sunderland:
So that shows the positions he was in and how dominant he was. It looks like he was pretty much playing central midfield.
Then here's a run of games from the previous season with Charlton:
He a slightly different role there, probably with a starting position on the wing and the freedom to drift inside.
And then you have his most recent starts for Sunderland from last season, playing wide left:
Just to pick a few stats from his most dominant and least dominant games (starts).
Charlton 1-1 Everton
Reid successful passes: 51
Charlton successful passes: 331
Sunderland 2-1 West Ham
Reid successful passes: 37
Sunderland successful passes: 210
Sunderland 1-0 Hull
Reid successful passes: 15
Sunderland successful passes: 150
I haven't checked it completely but I think it's safe to say when Reid has played in the centre for his club they're far more likely to dominate. It's where he performs best, regularly winning motm, and I do think he's good enough to build a team around.
In our own version of weight watchers I have lost 13kgs and I was injured for most of it.
In Trap we trust
I don't disagree with any of that. I would suggest he'll be a better, more effective player after losing the weight now though.
Fact is Trap possibly values hard running and energy in the type of game he has us playing as opposed to someone spraying passes round from midfield and not running more then 10 yards.
Last edited by Drumcondra 69er; 26/08/2009 at 1:35 PM.
I'd agree with that too. Doesn't mean he wasn't overweight though. And he did sod all the next season.
Out of position... By all means play him out wide but with the freedom to drift about. Not stuck on the left wing, it's just not his game.
The Guardian gave Reid a 9 and its man of the match award when Sunderland played Chelsea last season. The usual snide remarks to Reid being 'curvy' and 'unathletic' were made but, yet again, the guy's vision, composure and technical excellence meant he was the most impressive guy on the field. As for Trap preferring the hard-running industrious type for his central midfield, that is certainly evidenced by Andrews and Whelan, but it also has to be considered that Trap included Reid in his first few match squads as manager, including the qualifiers in Mainz and Podgorica. So, attitude aside, Trap clearly sees Andy as being good enough and as having some role to play (rumour has it that he had decided to use Reid as a sub against Montenegro, but the post-match shenanigans in Mainz changed his mind).
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