QuoteOriginally Posted by Sunny Jim
Lets not make a song and dance about it, lads.
He also did Irish dancing as a kid.
Lets not make a song and dance about it, lads.
Quoting years at random since 1975
How many caps has Kev got now-must be v close to the 100. Was painful to see him mess up so badly for the goal. If we dont qualify for the WC I wouldnt be surprised if he quit at that stage but he would be missed-great servant to Irish soccer.
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For the record I thought St Ledger was as culpible for the goal on Saturday.
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Kilbane said he called it though - “It wasn’t so much that I didn’t realise he was there,” he said. “It’s just, I’ve called to Sean and then I’ve just allowed it to come through me." (from Irish Times yesterday - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...248284362.html)
Arguably Ledger should've cleared it anyway but if you get a call you can't fault him as much as Kilbane, more 80/20 I'd say.
Sorry didn't mean to write "as culpable". I wanted to say that St ledger as at fault, as well as Kilbane. IMO a centre half has to deal with that, but given his inexperience, and Kilbane's wealth of experience, I guess 80/20 isn't too far off (again I'd have been more generous to Kilbane)
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If you hear a call from a teammate you leave it
I don't think that's an absolute rule though. Like if you have what seems like a perfect chance for you to score should you not go ahead, take responsibility, and just score the goal despite a call from behind you? I think that applies even more so to defending, where the main objective is to just clear the bloody thing without any messing - so if you've a chance to do that should you not just do it? And as Dodge says, especially if you're the centre-half?
Absolutely 100% spot on there fella
I think it is to Kilbane's credit that he has taken full responsibilty for the goal. It shows the honesty of the the guy which he has displayed throughout his career. It would have been easy to for him to involve St.Leger but he didn't.
What I haven't seen mentioned in any post match reports is the role if any that Shay Given played in this. Shay was best placed to read the danger and I would expect in such a situation him to shout at Kilbane to 'man on, play it' , 'make sure', 'Sean's (StL's) ball' or 'keepers ball'. Maybe he did, but just have seen anything about it as I have just got back today.
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It was a routine ball that Sledge looked like he was going to deal with, before he visibly left it (presumably following Killer's call).
Kilbane called Sledge off and misjudged it, and in my view is 100% at fault.
Love the guy but to put any blame at all on Sledge is totally unfair.
The only thing he was guilty of was trusting a teammate!
It's true that even if you get a call you should still trust your intuition but I think when the call comes from behind you, as it did, you leave it. Clearly KK had the best read of the situation.
Also, when a veteran calls for it any guy making his first start would leave it too. Imagine SSL went for it and either collided with KK or didn't get any distance on his clearance.
KK accepts all the blame & rightly so.
I think both Shay and KK are now tied on 96 caps. If they play against Australia, SA and Cyprus then it could be a great night for them both in Croke Park when Italy come to town.
"There's man all over for you, blaming on his boots the fault of his feet" - Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot
Kilbane called it. Kilbane has nearly 100 caps, St Ledger has 2. Killer should have dealt with it, even if he hadn't called it he was the experienced head and should have got rid. It was an awful error where he was 100% at fault and man enough to admit it himself.
You don't retire from being Irish. If Trap doesn't need him he won't pick him.
I've seen an interview with Kilbane where he said he'd keep playing for Ireland as long as he was picked in the squad and felt needed.
Good enough, and you wouldn't expect anything less from Killer.
I agree Kilbane is a hero.But nobody seems to realise (including trap) that we have a ready made replacement for left full.The lad Stephen Ward from wolves.He played most games in a championship winning team.Its a disgrace the way he didnt get a call up.He was originally a striker but Mick McCarthy has turned him into a left full.He had a great season.If he plays next year in the Premiership and also proves himself,he'll be a great shout for the position.
Through a combination of injury and loss of form, I think Ward lost his place at left full by the end of the campaign (correct me if I'm wrong).
While I think he's worth considering if he's playing there regularly for Wolves in the Prem, I still think he'd be a stop-gap solution until a proper left full emerges.
But hey, I'd be extremely happy if he proves me wrong and has a great Premier League season and transfers that form onto the national team stage.
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