Kiely walks out? strong rumour

[Stuttgart88]

Earth calling Razor....are you there Razor?

[Stuttgart88]

Wasn't Doyle Birminghams first choice over Taylor last time they got promoted and started as first choice that season in the Premiership??? Think he just lost his head a bit and Taylor got in and has retained it since. He's still young and Taylors getting on so Birmingham for the next year or two might be the best place for him..

Exactly. He was actually instrumental at the tail end of the previous promotion season. Kept his place and was at fault for 2 goals in the 3-2 defeat at Chelsea. He was fouled following a great save in the next game vs. Sunderland I think, but the referee incorrectly allowed a goal from the rebound. I think Taylor resumed duty shortly afterwards.

He has a build any keeper would kill for alright but I often feel having seen him that he could be doing better. Great saves, great catches, then a soft goal.

Thanks Tets, I hadn't realised Henderson was out on loan.

[carloz]

I had a look in the Irish Abroad database and whipped up this table to show the goalkeepers in England and Scotland performed this season.
It's a list of their starts, how many goals they conceded, ordered by how many they conceded per game
Turns out Henderson and Doyle weren't bad choices, statistically speaking

                      Home             Away             Total       Conceded
Player Name     Starts Conceded  Starts Conceded  Starts Conceded   Per Game
Colin Doyle          0        0       3        2       3        2       0.67
Wayne Henderson      7        3       7       10      14       13       0.93
Paddy Kenny         24       22      25       25      49       47       0.96
Dean Brill          13       16      12       10      25       26       1.04
David Forde         29       28      27       37      56       65       1.16
Kieran Westwood     25       28      24       32      49       60       1.22
Joe Murphy          24       22      28       44      52       66       1.27
Barry Roche         25       28      27       39      52       67       1.29
Darren Randolph      6        4      10       17      16       21       1.31
Robert Elliot       14       19      12       18      26       37       1.42
Shay Given          23       30      24       39      47       69       1.47
Dean Kiely           2        3       2        3       4        6        1.5
Graham Stack         3        5       3        4       6        9        1.5
Shane Supple         3        5       3        4       6        9        1.5
Conrad Logan        17       27      19       32      36       59       1.64
Rene Gilmartin       6       10       5       10      11       20       1.82

Note, these results don't contain the season stats for Andy McNulty (Inverness Caley Thistle, on loan at Elgin) because I don't record Scottish Third Division games

Ah for gods sake, get with it tetsujin, we all know Andy McNulty is the future of Irish goalkeeping

[DmanDmythDledge]

Is Westwood out injured now???

No, he kinda has to get married that day.

[Closed Account]

I would've thought Joe Murphy was a more obvious choice than either of those two. Not his biggest fan but there's something to be said for playing week in, week out for a successful side (not to mention being voted League One Goalie of the year).

I think he's unavailable because he's on holidays.

[rambler14]

What is the point of calling up two keepers who can't even remember what goalposts look like?
But they were probably the only two not on holidays!

[Drumcondra 69er]

I would've thought Joe Murphy was a more obvious choice than either of those two. Not his biggest fan but there's something to be said for playing week in, week out for a successful side (not to mention being voted League One Goalie of the year).

I would have thought Paddy Kenny was the obvious choice, he's played regulalry in a relatively sucessful side, has Premier League experience and is undoubtedly better then Henderson or Doyle at present. According to the Indo this morning he was sounded out, said he was available but was overlooked when Henderson cancelled his holidays.

Now, fair play for Henderson for making the effort but it staggers me that Kenny can be considered behind both of those (and possibly Joe Murphy) in the pecking order, it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

[Den Perry]

I would have thought Paddy Kenny was the obvious choice, he's played regulalry in a relatively sucessful side, has Premier League experience and is undoubtedly better then Henderson or Doyle at present. According to the Indo this morning he was sounded out, said he was available but was overlooked when Henderson cancelled his holidays.

Now, fair play for Henderson for making the effort but it staggers me that Kenny can be considered behind both of those (and possibly Joe Murphy) in the pecking order, it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

agree 100%

[EalingGreen]

Exactly. He was actually instrumental at the tail end of the previous promotion season. Kept his place and was at fault for 2 goals in the 3-2 defeat at Chelsea. He was fouled following a great save in the next game vs. Sunderland I think, but the referee incorrectly allowed a goal from the rebound. I think Taylor resumed duty shortly afterwards.

He has a build any keeper would kill for alright but I often feel having seen him that he could be doing better. Great saves, great catches, then a soft goal.

http://www.bcfc.com/page/ProfilesDet...~30116,00.html

Having joined Brum as a 16 year old in 2001, Doyle had a couple of brief loans at Millwall and Forest, before breaking into the Birmingham team in the 2006/07 Season.
Iirc, this was in the New Year, following a dip in form by Taylor. Doyle went on to finish the Season as 1st choice, as Brum won promotion back to the EPL.
I think he may then have played the opening couple of games next season, as you say, but Taylor was soon back in and played virtually the whole of the 2007/08 Relegation season, plus the 2008/09 Promotion season (just ended) as 1st choice.

As for next season, the omens don't look good for either keeper, esp Doyle. Apparently McLeish wants to sign Joe Hart from Man.City. M.City rate Hart, so will only consider a season-long loan, and then only if Brum pay a £1m loan fee on top!

If this comes off, there's no way I can see the Brum Board agreeing to pay £25k per week to M.City, plus Hart's wages, unless he's guaranteed to play regularly. In which case, I could see the 38 year old Taylor being the experienced back-up, with Doyle being somewhat "out in the cold" at St. Andrews.

Indeed, the local paper is saying that McLeish wants to loan Doyle back out to a Championship side (possibly with a clause saying he can recall him should Hart or Taylor get injured?):
http://www.sundaymercury.net/midland...6331-23698149/

P.S. From what I saw of Taylor last season, he was playing better than ever - for NI, at least.

[elroy]

I would have thought Paddy Kenny was the obvious choice, he's played regulalry in a relatively sucessful side, has Premier League experience and is undoubtedly better then Henderson or Doyle at present. According to the Indo this morning he was sounded out, said he was available but was overlooked when Henderson cancelled his holidays.

Now, fair play for Henderson for making the effort but it staggers me that Kenny can be considered behind both of those (and possibly Joe Murphy) in the pecking order, it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

I read in one of the papers over the weekend (sindo i think) that it was very likely that Paddy Kenny would not answer a call up to the squad, therefore, Doyle, Henderson and Murphy were the three options. It didnt really provide any basis for this conclusion.

[dr_peepee]

I would've thought Joe Murphy was a more obvious choice than either of those two. Not his biggest fan but there's something to be said for playing week in, week out for a successful side (not to mention being voted League One Goalie of the year).

Think it's the second time he's won that too..

[DmanDmythDledge]

What is the point of calling up two keepers who can't even remember what goalposts look like?
But they were probably the only two not on holidays!

Henderson has filled in adequately for us in the past. I have no problems with him being in the squad.

[an_ceannaire]

Anyone else agree? Great Keeper yes, Selfish Git, also, yes. I would think Kiely would have very little time for him. Couldnt blame him either. As I said, Great Keeper but putting personal goal before team welfare.

[Brendan 82]

Blasphemy

[Duggie]

nah it shud be up to trap to say who starts in goal. he could have said no shay ur sitting this one out but he didnt.

[Stuttgart88]

Anyone else agree? Great Keeper yes, Selfish Git, also, yes. I would think Kiely would have very little time for him. Couldnt blame him either. As I said, Great Keeper but putting personal goal before team welfare.

I can see why there'd be tension between the two but if Shay says he wanted game time to sharpen up after an injury then fine. Also, if St. Ledger & Dunne do start together in Sofia I think it'll be useful to have had that important GK-CB-CB unit having had game time together.

[Stuttgart88]

[url]P.S. From what I saw of Taylor last season, he was playing better than ever - for NI, at least.

Agree. A good example was when they played that crucial game against Wolves at St. Andrews - he exuded calmness & authority while the young Wayne Hennessy flapped and made poor decisions at important times*. Taylor barely had a save to make but as we all know, just having authority and doing the bread & butter stuff well is invaluable.

I thought Taylor looked a bit rooted to the spot when Preston equalised Keith Fahey's goal, a shot from distance that he didn't read well / move his feet well for. Good keeper though.

*this could be a liability for Wolves in the EPL. Kiely could be a useful acquisition for Mick in this regard. A steady start defensively will be important for them.

[Greenforever]

Anyone else agree? Great Keeper yes, Selfish Git, also, yes. I would think Kiely would have very little time for him. Couldnt blame him either. As I said, Great Keeper but putting personal goal before team welfare.

Trap picks the team, nobody else.....and to call Shay a selfish git is the most ignorant post Ive seen in a long time. Shay is a true professional who never fails to turn up for duty and is proud to play for his country

[geysir]

Best to ignore that troll.

[Razors left peg]

Earth calling Razor....are you there Razor?

In my defense Im stuck in the arse end of Sweden and havent been able to get online much lately so that news passed me by...Im just praying at this stage I get to see the game on saturday
It does make the decision to play Westwood ahead of Kiely against Nigeria now look completely stupid though