QuoteYou can stand by what you said all you like, if you can't post without personal comments, you won't be doing it here again, understand?
anyone that puts themselves in the line of fire like that deserves a medal in my opinion, takes a very brave person to do what those people did on friday.Originally Posted by dahamsta
i was very calm when i posted, i put plenty of thought into what i said and i stand by everything i said.
You can stand by what you said all you like, if you can't post without personal comments, you won't be doing it here again, understand?
The ones with the body armour, back-up and automatic weapons or the ones with the sawn-off? Right isn't always on the side of bravery, even if we're stupid enough to use that term in relation to either side in this incident.
What's become clear from this incident (and the fact that it's been raised in this thread, and the minister's comments on it) is that an operational decision was made to endanger public safety by pressing for a PR-friendly outcome and sentence, and that that decision cost a man his life.
As for law enforcement not being like the movies, do me a favour. The Guards are the ones who yearn to re-enact The Sweeney on the streets of Ireland, preferably at negligible risk to themselves (their ideal target being a mentally-ill individual with a shotgun broken at the breech.)
A leading authority on League of Ireland football since 2003. You're probably wrong.
You can compare the two incidents. One was a mentally i'll person, the other a convicted armed robber.
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...t-1742076.htmlThe 28-year-old armed robber shot dead by an undercover garda on Friday was holding a sawn-off shotgun to the throat of a security van driver and threatening to kill him before being called on to drop his weapon, it has been learned.
Gareth Molloy, 28, from Sheriff Street, Dublin, was shot dead after refusing to drop the shotgun when he was confronted by two members of the National Surveillance Unit.
The unit had been tracking the movements of another man, the 27-year-old leader of one of the most active armed robbery gangs in the country.
Molloy had fired a shot from the shotgun and was again threatening to kill the security man when he was confronted and shot dead.
It is understood that five shots were fired by one garda, after issuing a warning, three shots hitting Molloy and two shots hitting another gang member beside him. The other gang member is described as seriously ill but stable in James Connolly Memorial Hospital in Blanchardstown.
According to Garda sources the dead man was part of a highly active gang of robbers who have been responsible for several armed hold-ups in recent years, including the €7.6m heist from the Bank of Ireland at Dublin's College Green in February.
The leader of the gang is a man in his mid-20s from the north inner city who has been under close surveillance by gardai. He was observed last week following the movements of a G4S cash-in-transit van which regularly carries more than €1m and which visits the Centra shop on Foxborough Road in Lucan.
Last edited by dahamsta; 18/05/2009 at 9:46 AM.
If this is true I wouldn't object to the Garda actions although it is still questionable they let the raid go so far that this could happen.The 28-year-old armed robber shot dead by an undercover garda on Friday was holding a sawn-off shotgun to the throat of a security van driver and threatening to kill him before being called on to drop his weapon, it has been learned.
If you could arrest some one for future crimes then i guess they could have intercepted them but you cant so you have to catch them in the act. If they shoot at the cops then they deserve to get shot.
please dont say things like that when you have no idea what members of the Gardai think. I am not even going to debate a word of what you said because as far as im concerned your opinion and what you think of the organisation is so far off the mark as to be very frustrating.
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