Darron Gibson

[geysir]

DARRON GIBSON TO START IN CARLING CUP FINAL
It just gets better and better for Darron. Just reward for his evident progress in Man U's premier squad as well as his hard work and obviously his sound decision not to accept a loan move to a team below championship level.

[DeLorean]

Evans is rightly getting recognition as he has been a vital part of the United team in their record breaking run. He has played exceptionally well in very big games eg.v Chelsea. How Gibsons impact is even being compared to his is farcical, at this stage. Ok performances at best in the Carling Cup games against Derby and a decent performance against the same opposition in the FA Cup. He got motm but in reality it was obviously Giggs who was the best player on the pitch and without his goal I don't think Gibson would have even been a contender. Who even picked it anyway, probably Setanta!! Having said that he did well enough under not such demanding circumstances. The demanding circumstnces came for Ireland against Cyprus and Poland and he was awful, or have people forgotten this already because of a couple of goals against Southampton and Derby. Andrews had a far bigger impact for us than Gibson that's the fact of the matter. I hope he turns out to be a great player but I think there's a lot of unjustified hype about him at the moment. The fact that Fergie see's something in him is the most positive thing he has going for him imo and not on what he's done on the pitch, yet.

[EalingGreen]

Evans is rightly getting recognition as he has been a vital part of the United team in their record breaking run. He has played exceptionally well in very big games eg.v Chelsea. How Gibsons impact is even being compared to his is farcical, at this stage. Ok performances at best in the Carling Cup games against Derby and a decent performance against the same opposition in the FA Cup. He got motm but in reality it was obviously Giggs who was the best player on the pitch and without his goal I don't think Gibson would have even been a contender. Who even picked it anyway, probably Setanta!! Having said that he did well enough under not such demanding circumstances. The demanding circumstnces came for Ireland against Cyprus and Poland and he was awful, or have people forgotten this already because of a couple of goals against Southampton and Derby. Andrews had a far bigger impact for us than Gibson that's the fact of the matter. I hope he turns out to be a great player but I think there's a lot of unjustified hype about him at the moment. The fact that Fergie see's something in him is the most positive thing he has going for him imo and not on what he's done on the pitch, yet.

Sums it up perfectly (imo).

[ifk101]

"Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics". I couldn't be arsed going through individual results and performances etc, but if you genuinely consider that Steve Staunton is/was a "better" manager than Worthington*, then I think you should go and lie down in a darkened room for a while.

No opinion. Just stating their respective records as you requested.

But ultimately a manager is judged by his results, no?

And I'm sure he wouldn't. But what do I know - I only watch them play, after all...

So you'd cap Michael Gault before Gibson, for argument's sake?

[EalingGreen]

No opinion. Just stating their respective records as you requested.

But ultimately a manager is judged by his results, no?

No, managers are (or should be) judged on competence. Results will eventually reflect a manager's competence, but only when taken in context (ability of available players, standing on taking over, quality of opponents, level of expectations etc), and over a reasonable period of time.
Imo, the jury is still out on Worthington, whereas it was clear Staunton was a Muppet by the time of his second game in charge.

So you'd cap Michael Gault before Gibson, for argument's sake?

No, absolutely not. Unless in unique circumstances (e.g. Mannus as 3rd choice keeper), I personally wouldn't have IL players anywhere near the team.
NW set out with a policy of selecting from the widest possible pool of talent, hence some early IL selections. Experience seems to have taught him better since, mind.

P.S. Michael Gault's only NI appearance (possibly as a "shop window" for a move to GB) was as a 70th minute sub in a 4-1 friendly victory over (ahem) Georgia. By the time Gault came on, we were already 3-1 up and coasting...

[The Fly]

Barely Legal - people's comments about young Gibson on this thread are hardly falling under the 'unjustified hype' umbrella. They are merely reflecting a general optimism with his progress as a player, which in turn only benefits us. There is nothing wrong with that.

The lad has potential, that much is plain to see. IMO, he will prove to be a very valuable player for us. Much more so than Andrews and Whelan, no disrespect intended to either player.

[DeLorean]

Barely Legal - people's comments about young Gibson on this thread are hardly falling under the 'unjustified hype' umbrella. They are merely reflecting a general optimism with his progress as a player, which in turn only benefits us. There is nothing wrong with that.

The lad has potential, that much is plain to see. IMO, he will prove to be a very valuable player for us. Much more so than Andrews and Whelan, no disrespect intended to either player.

I hope you are right of course. I think his level of performance overall is being overrated, that's all. The grounds for optimism as far as I'm concerned come from the fact that he seems to be in Fergies plans a little bit and not from his actual performances. When he actual starts playing well I will get a bit more excited about him but I haven't seen much of it so far but hopefully it's not far off. I'm just glad that it looks like he might be tested at United instead of Ireland cos another no show in Italy/Bulgaria like against Cyprus/Poland and we'd be in big trouble. We already have one passenger in Whelan.

[geysir]

No opinion. Just stating their respective records as you requested.

But ultimately a manager is judged by his results, no?

Well, in NI the criteria is not so strict or as crude as all that, remember the Sammy McIlroy era?

[Razors left peg]

he came on for Carrick in tonights game against Fulham...... although for our Northern friends Evans came on as a sub 7 minutes earlier so he is obviously the better prospect

[Hibernian]

He came on when 3-0 to be fair but had a half decent shot on goal and also I taught he spread the ball around pretty well. Its good to see him getting some game time anyway and hopefully he gets better and better...

I for one still think he has lots to prove but i think if Ferguson lets him play in the centre there signs for me that this guy could do decent job when he gets more game time.

[tommy_c12000]

He came on when 3-0 to be fair but had a half decent shot on goal and also I taught he spread the ball around pretty well. Its good to see him getting some game time anyway and hopefully he gets better and better...

I for one still think he has lots to prove but i think if Ferguson lets him play in the centre there signs for me that this guy could do decent job when he gets more game time.

Totally agree. Ferguson clearly rates him. Expect him to get a longer run out on saturday (probably a start) at home against Blackburn. It's the last game before the Carling Cup final so Ferguson will be keen to give him as much game time as possible before the 1st March

[Stuttgart88]

I think Ferguson probably does rate him, hence already saying he'll start at Wembley. However, he's a canny character who may well have already made his mind up about him and may well be talking him up to get an extra million or two for him in the market.

[John83]

I think Ferguson probably does rate him, hence already saying he'll start at Wembley. However, he's a canny character who may well have already made his mind up about him and may well be talking him up to get an extra million or two for him in the market.

I don't really remember him ever touting a player like that. He'll talk up his youngsters, sure, but he only specifically picks out or plays the ones he thinks might work out. Of course, the Carling Cup doesn't count so much. It's league games that tell the real story.

[geysir]

BBC player rater, the hallmark of quality detection.
Gibson 6.39
Evans 6.38

Gibson is on a roll.

[gustavo]

BBC player rater, the hallmark of quality detection.
Gibson 6.39
Evans 6.38

Gibson is on a roll.

Indisputibable evidence that Gibson will be a worldbeater and Evans is on a slippery slope

[ifk101]

No, managers are (or should be) judged on competence.

Judging competence is subjective. Comparing results removes the subjectivity. Based on results, Stan is better.

Imo, the jury is still out on Worthington, whereas it was clear Staunton was a Muppet by the time of his second game in charge.

It was clear Stan wasn't up for the job from the very first press conference when he uttered the words "I'm the gaffer". I think Worthlesston is doing a good job

No, absolutely not.

Gibson would be well into double figures, regarding number of caps, if he had chosen to play for NI. Be honest with yourself.

However, he's a canny character who may well have already made his mind up about him and may well be talking him up to get an extra million or two for him in the market.

That could well be the case.

[paul_oshea]

No, managers are (or should be) judged on competence. Results will eventually reflect a manager's competence, but only when taken in context (ability of available players, standing on taking over, quality of opponents, level of expectations etc), and over a reasonable period of time.

Ok then, we are agreed ROI are better than NI.

[OwlsFan]

No sign of him even on the bench against Blackburn.

O'Shea also missed that game with a "sore heel". Obviously not used to all this activity of late.

[dr_peepee]

A sore heel or a sore hole??

[Hibernian]

No sign of him even on the bench against Blackburn.

O'Shea also missed that game with a "sore heel". Obviously not used to all this activity of late.

Will be interesting if he gets to warm the bench against Inter Milan in San Siro tomorrow night.

Must say I think Gibson would have been disappointed not to have made bench on saturday for sure