Paul McShane

[Stuttgart88]

I think the key is that stats are quantitative but not qualitative. Applying them in tandem with common sense is a good way of putting it alright.

[an_ceannaire]

This thread is going into my bookmarks and I'll drag it up in a few years time.

Look at England's next big thing, Micah Richards. Put him beside John O'Shea and see how impressive he looks.

Richards:
"I am still young and I am still learning. I know I have a tendency to chase people all over the place sometimes but that is where Richard Dunne has been such a big help to me. He is always moving me into the right positions."

I'm really surprised how opinions on McShane have changed. The vast majority of centre halves of his age need to be led. At premiership/international level 99% of 21 year old centre halves need to be led. I actually don't think McShane requires an organiser beside him all that much. Unlike Phil Babb, McShane is learning a lot with every game.

I'm delighted to have Dunne and McShane as our centre backs.

Eirebhoy, what say you now??

[tetsujin1979]

Back on the bench today for Sunderland

[eirebhoy]

He came on after an hour for Nosworthy. Not often you see centre halves being subbed.

[NeilMcD]

1640: GOAL Sunderland 1-2 Aston Villa
Paul McShane almost decapitates Gabby Agbonlahor as the ball bounces on the edge of the area. The foul looks just outside but ref Mike Dean points to the spot and Gareth Barry converts.

[eirebhoy]

haha

[Noelys Guitar]

McShane is a trainwreck. Honest player but against quality opposition like the Italian's he will be ruthlessly exposed. Stephen Ireland ran him ragged when City beat Hull 5-0.

[Carrigaline]

Every time he touched the ball, he was booed, and they were his own supporters.

I really can't see McShane having a future at Sunderland.

[eirebhoy]

McShane is a trainwreck. Honest player but against quality opposition like the Italian's he will be ruthlessly exposed. Stephen Ireland ran him ragged when City beat Hull 5-0.

At left back in fairness. We wouldn't judge Dunne at left back.

I thought Colombia had a lot of pace and quality and McShane was motm against them.

It's a real pity he got called back from Hull. The pressure on him at Sunderland must be unreal and confidence rock bottom.

[elroy]

At left back in fairness. We wouldn't judge Dunne at left back.

I thought Colombia had a lot of pace and quality and McShane was motm against them.

It's a real pity he got called back from Hull. The pressure on him at Sunderland must be unreal and confidence rock bottom.

Wonder if Hull will try to sign him permanently now the Finnan deal looks dead. Would imagine he wouldnt cost much more than Finnan would have.

[superfrank]

Well they do have Kilbane now and he can fill in at left-back.

[shakermaker1982]

what was he thinking? Dunne is no better after his lashout.

[Stuttgart88]

I saw the Villa incident on MOTD. Dreadful defending by McShane, total loss of concentration, just like in Cardiff, at home to Serbia and quite a few other occasions. I'd have no faith in him whatsoever in a qualifier. Trainwreck indeed I'm afraid.

[FarBeag]

Same old same old with McShane.Heart on sleeve but s*it footballer.

[eirebhoy]

I saw the Villa incident on MOTD. Dreadful defending by McShane, total loss of concentration, just like in Cardiff, at home to Serbia and quite a few other occasions.

Don't agree that Wales and Serbia were loss of concentration. If anything he was the only one to react against Wales, and Serbia was more his inexperience, assuming Delaney would have been more forward up the pitch. That's just those 2 incidents though. He's obviously been involved in plenty and at fault for plenty.

[OwlsFan]

Yeah we're gob****es for booing the worst defender in the Premiership.

Yes, you would be. What is the point in booing a player who gives 100%? There is no doubting McShane's commitment so I can't understand why he would be booed. He doesn't pick himself for the team - his manager does. The fact that he isn't very good and plays for Sunderland is not his fault. Boo Keane who signed him and the manager who picks him. McShane does his best. I hate people who boo playera unless they're lazy and not giving it their all.

[tetsujin1979]

Hull didn't put up much of a fight in keeping him.

They didn't have a choice, it was in his contract that Sunderland could recall him at any time.

[SunderlandBohs]

Yes, you would be. What is the point in booing a player who gives 100%? There is no doubting McShane's commitment so I can't understand why he would be booed. He doesn't pick himself for the team - his manager does. The fact that he isn't very good and plays for Sunderland is not his fault. Boo Keane who signed him and the manager who picks him. McShane does his best. I hate people who boo playera unless they're lazy and not giving it their all.

Sbirgia has come under fire for bring Mc****forbrains back. We booed him to get are point across. We don't want him. Its his fault we didn't get a point on saturday. Granted the foul was outside the box but what the hell was the clown doing. The lad is a joke. There is at five LOI defenders better than him. His best isn't good enough and why shouldn't fans let him know that. Well done Paul we lost the game because you can't defend or tackle and you're as slow as **** but hey at least you gave your best.

[FarBeag]

Sbirgia has come under fire for bring Mc****forbrains back. We booed him to get are point across. We don't want him. Its his fault we didn't get a point on saturday. Granted the foul was outside the box but what the hell was the clown doing. The lad is a joke. There is at five LOI defenders better than him. His best isn't good enough and why shouldn't fans let him know that. Well done Paul we lost the game because you can't defend or tackle and you're as slow as **** but hey at least you gave your best.

You’re being very harsh and unreasonable here. McShane is a limited footballer I agree but he does not deserve to be booed by his own so called fans.He does not pick himself for the team, he did not recall himself from Hull, he does not deliberately go out and play badly so he should not be slaughtered because of it. He plays to the best of his limited ability and gives 100%. I hope all Sunderland fans don’t have attitudes like you.

[NeilMcD]

I wonder the fact that he plays rubbish for Sunderland and decent for Hull have anything to do with the fans reaction to him. Am I right in saying that the Sunderland fans were harsh on Kilbane too.