Keane Walks Out On Sunderland

**NeilMcD** · 09/12/2008, 3:27 PM

I am not a Keane supporter and I agree Keane is a dodgy character so where does that leave you now. I said earlier if its a Civil War I would be labour, so go read a history book.

The point I am making is that the analysis of Keane or any footballer or manager when conducted on the airwaves should be kept to their ability etc. In addition Cascarino is in no place to be having a go at Keanes character when his is as equally flawed. It is a bit rich for Cascarino to be having a go at Keanes personality.

If you stop seeing things in a binary Keane V Mc Carthy or Keane is wrong everybodly else is right then you may understand this. In addition there are element of the Pro Keane who see things in a binary way also.

**smasher** · 09/12/2008, 3:39 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I am not a Keane supporter and I agree Keane is a dodgy character so where does that leave you now. I said earlier if its a Civil War I would be labour, so go read a history book.

The point I am making is that the analysis of Keane or any footballer or manager when conducted on the airwaves should be kept to their ability etc. In addition Cascarino is in no place to be having a go at Keanes character when his is as equally flawed. It is a bit rich for Cascarino to be having a go at Keanes personality.

If you stop seeing things in a binary Keane V Mc Carthy or Keane is wrong everybodly else is right then you may understand this. In addition there are element of the Pro Keane who see things in a binary way also.

Keane has cast aspersions on his own players publicly and not just their football ability. He did the same to Mick McCarthy and you have labelled Cascarino ' a low life'.
By the way, please keep politics out of sport.

**NeilMcD** · 09/12/2008, 4:00 PM

I know, I am not defending Keane, have you not got that. Have you not got the contradiction that is Cascarino having a go at Keanes character. That is what I am commenting on. I could not care about Roy Keane and some northern English football team.

In relation to poltics it was an anology. Some people call the Keane V McCarthy the civil war of Irish sport and I was saying if it is a civil war well them I am Labour in this instance.

**Morbo** · 09/12/2008, 5:05 PM

So what else has Cascarino done or said apart from having a go at Keane and O'Leary that makes him a dodgy character, just curious?

**NeilMcD** · 10/12/2008, 6:33 AM

Read his book.

**OneRedArmy** · 10/12/2008, 7:56 AM

Neil you're banging your head against a brick wall.

FWIW I think you're spot on.

Life isn't simple and is rarely black or white and the polarised, naive and frankly absurd self-reinforcing views trotted out in this thread and on every radio phone-in show are a direct result of slavish subscribion to the views of the gutter press and reflect very poorly on us as a nation.

Get a life people and move on.

**OwlsFan** · 10/12/2008, 1:06 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Read his book.

This one ?

19 goals for Ireland. Good performer on the field and under the sheets, apparently

**sadloserkid** · 10/12/2008, 3:21 PM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

This one ?

19 goals for Ireland. Good performer on the field and under the sheets, apparently

My copy has a much cooler cover...

**geysir** · 10/12/2008, 3:30 PM

When the line is used about glass houses it usually refers to some hypocrisy.
In the matter of what Cas criticises Keane about, there is no evident hypocrisy.
We all know Cas is not a quitter.
Cas has thrown in an anecdote into his football column which may reflect negatively on his subject but done to support his point.
The anecdote supports his analysis of Keane the bully. The location of a public toilet certainly has shock horror appeal, a man should be left in peace during his vulnerable moments. I'd hope Keane allowed Cas to finish the business and waited until he was putting a few finishing touches to his hair.

Cas's point covers a good part of Keane's belligerent approach to getting his way.
If you don't know these character types then it won't make much sense to you.
If you don't agree with these bullies then they regard you are against them.
Everything is personal. Keane's attitude to his fellow pro's is a case in point, like Schmeichel who wasn't one to be intimidated.
In amongst his complex contradictions, Keane is a bully.
It is a sizable part of his persona.
Keane has been well paid for his Sunderland stint. He had some hits but overwhelmed by all the misses.
He had the support of his employees, he refused to sign a 2 year contract, some call that integrity. I'd agree with Cas, the evidence more points that Keane is a quitter.

**bennocelt** · 10/12/2008, 6:02 PM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

This one ?

19 goals for Ireland. Good performer on the field and under the sheets, apparently

and a much better read than keanes bio

**smasher** · 11/12/2008, 9:08 AM

Originally Posted by geysir

When the line is used about glass houses it usually refers to some hypocrisy.
In the matter of what Cas criticises Keane about, there is no evident hypocrisy.
We all know Cas is not a quitter.
Cas has thrown in an anecdote into his football column which may reflect negatively on his subject but done to support his point.
The anecdote supports his analysis of Keane the bully. The location of a public toilet certainly has shock horror appeal, a man should be left in peace during his vulnerable moments. I'd hope Keane allowed Cas to finish the business and waited until he was putting a few finishing touches to his hair.

Cas's point covers a good part of Keane's belligerent approach to getting his way.
If you don't know these character types then it won't make much sense to you.
If you don't agree with these bullies then they regard you are against them.
Everything is personal. Keane's attitude to his fellow pro's is a case in point, like Schmeichel who wasn't one to be intimidated.
In amongst his complex contradictions, Keane is a bully.
It is a sizable part of his persona.
Keane has been well paid for his Sunderland stint. He had some hits but overwhelmed by all the misses.
He had the support of his employees, he refused to sign a 2 year contract, some call that integrity. I'd agree with Cas, the evidence more points that Keane is a quitter.

Evidently a quitter, but one who likes to lay the blame elsewhere. He publicly lambasted his players for, among other things, not wanting to live in the north east yet not living there himself. He denigrated all around him in Saipan because they did'nt side with him.
We are then meant to muse on his press briefings as if they are the utterings of some enlightened intellectual we can learn from, as Dunphy and his cohorts regularily chortle. Anything to sell a book and attempt to appeal to a more discerning audience. What a joke! Like it or not they are cut from the same cloth.
But then this type of conduct appeals to a certain type of person. As they say that's life!

**cheifo** · 12/12/2008, 1:29 AM

Yeh its hard to come across analysis of Keane thats not coloured by Saipan.
The story about him holding a Sunderland player by the neck and screaming "so do want to be the first to take me on" is a bit shocking and believable in the context of his past behaviour.
Hard not to analyze him without descending into psychobabble but for the record I agree with the belief that the drive that made him such a great player
includes flaws that make him so awful with people.
The hopeful comparisons with wiley old Fergie were very far of the mark.
He seems incapable of getting/trying to be on the same wavelenght as other people while Fergie knows what makes players tick.
Fergie knows the threat of the hairdryer would diminish if used too often.
Roy in a nutshell can't control himself .Flaws were fine as a great player but as a mediocre manager it just doesn't wash.
Sadly, at times he has been a bully and lets be honest there is countless examples of it.

**OwlsFan** · 18/12/2008, 1:01 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I would agree, I don't think that Cascarino has said anything totally over the top in relation to this. I just think his analysis of the game is rubbish and his character is dodgy to say the least. Double life, playing poker sopranos style.

Apparently Cas has been arrested after an incident with his ex-wife.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2048546.ece