QuoteIt is? I didn't realise your home was on the Cliftonville Road in Belfast.Originally Posted by Bohemian1890
That is Bohemian FC one hundred years ago...
Yes in your dreams maybe,we were one of founders of the League of Ireland and are home is the home of irish football.one hundred years ago
Dundalk had an orange kit
It is? I didn't realise your home was on the Cliftonville Road in Belfast.
I always though it was cliftonville fans with irish flag at games the flag which represents the Republic of Ireland team.It is? I didn't realise your home was on the Clifton ville Road in Belfast.
Maybe you should use your own flag if you dont know where the home of irish football is.
Apologises forgot didn't your Chairman Jim Boyce top man in the IFA the association for the Northern Ireland team stops fans coming to games with the Irish flag
I think you should read up on your political & flag history before making a bigger fool of yourself. You might also want to check my passport and the GFA.
See above.
Ex chairman. Ex top man at the IFA. (You really do need to brush up on your research). No, he didn't stop fans. The club did put up a notice saying only club colours permitted many years ago. It was never enforced and remains as a sort of 'museum piece' on a wall outside the ground.I
Apologises forgot didn't your Chairman Jim Boyce top man in the IFA the association for the Northern Ireland team stops fans coming to games with the Irish flag
You have an irish passport means nothing look at the money in your pocket your taxes and Boyce did stop them FACT enough said
Fact? You really believe that Boyce came out of his ivory tower on a Saturday afternoon and stopped people with tricolours or even got others to try and do it?
And back to my passport etc. I note you conveniently ignore the context and the other points raised. Cliftonville were and still are Irelands first club. The Cliftonville Road was and is the birthplace and hom of Irish football. Get over it.
I have never seen or heard anybody call the Reds home the Home of Irish football.Fact? You really believe that Boyce came out of his ivory tower on a Saturday afternoon and stopped people with tricolours or even got others to try and do it?
And back to my passport etc. I note you conveniently ignore the context and the other points raised. Cliftonville were and still are Irelands first club. The Cliftonville Road was and is the birthplace and hom of Irish football. Get over it.
The Home of irish football is Dalymount Park everybody in Ireland knows this as this is were the first game of the Irish team was played FACT start a thread on it we will see the outcome.
Some random, ahem, facts:
1. Oldest football club in Ireland - Cliftonville FC. From Belfast.
2. Oldest Football Association (since 1880) in Ireland, and fourth oldest in the world - IFA. Founded in Belfast.
3. Oldest Football League (since 1890) in Ireland, and 2nd oldest in the world - IL. Founded in Belfast, from Belfast clubs.
4. First international football match played in Ireland (1882) vs England. In Belfast.
5. First competitive international football match in Ireland (1884), indeed first anywhere in the world, vs Scotland. In Belfast.
6. First 27 international football matches in Ireland - all in Belfast.
7. First five grounds to host international football - all in Belfast.
8. Largest football ground ever in Ireland - in Belfast (Windsor Park). And the second largest (Celtic Park).
So I think Mr. Parker is correct when he asserts that Cliftonville is the "home" of Irish football, to which I would add that Belfast is the "Football Capital of Ireland"
Unless, of course, you don't consider Belfast to be in Ireland...
Some random, ahem, facts:
1. Oldest football club in Ireland - Cliftonville FC. From Belfast.
2. Oldest Football Association (since 1880) in Ireland, and fourth oldest in the world - IFA. Founded in Belfast.
3. Oldest Football League (since 1890) in Ireland, and 2nd oldest in the world - IL. Founded in Belfast, from Belfast clubs.
4. First international football match played in Ireland (1882) vs England. In Belfast.
5. First competitive international football match in Ireland (1884), indeed first anywhere in the world, vs Scotland. In Belfast.
6. First 27 international football matches in Ireland - all in Belfast.
7. First five grounds to host international football - all in Belfast.
8. Largest football ground ever in Ireland - in Belfast (Windsor Park). And the second largest (Celtic Park).
So I think Mr. Parker is correct when he asserts that Cliftonville is the "home" of Irish football, to which I would add that Belfast is the "Football Capital of Ireland"
Unless, of course, you don't consider Belfast to be in Ireland...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqRexvvx1mI dont cry lads thruth hurts
Belfast to be politically correct may not be ruled from Dublin but in a few years Dublin will be the capital and we will all be happy.
Mr Paker is wrong Dalymount Park is the Home of Irish football fact.The Irish Republic got Independence from the British and used Dalymount Park as it home hence the Home of Irish football.
Don't mention it lads
Would you class your self as Irish?Are the Glens an irish team??
Last edited by Bohemian1890; 29/08/2008 at 9:23 PM.
Look, I'll make this easy for you to understand. What you are trying to say is that Dalymount is the home of the 'Republic' team. Whereas the home of Ireland and Irish football is Belfast as founded by Cliftonville F.C..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqRexvvx1mI dont cry lads thruth hurts
Belfast to be politically correct may not be ruled from Dublin but in a few years Dublin will be the capital and we will all be happy.
Mr Paker is wrong Dalymount Park is the Home of Irish football fact.The Irish Republic got Independence from the British and used Dalymount Park as it home hence the Home of Irish football.
Don't mention it lads
Would you class your self as Irish?Are the Glens an irish team??
I just hope that the day Dublin becomes the capital that the Northern education system is adopted.
Look, I'll make this easy for you to understand. What you are trying to say is that Dalymount is the home of the 'Republic' team. Whereas the home of Ireland and Irish football is Belfast as founded by Cliftonville F.C..
I just hope that the day Dublin becomes the capital that the Northern education system is adopted.
Dalymount is the home of Irish football documentary you must not have watched
As for your British education system keep it as the North must be the most confused bit of land on the planet as you lot never learn.
The logic of your arguement is stunning. Oh hang on a mo, is there any logic there?Dalymount is the home of Irish football documentary you must not have watched
As for your British education system keep it as the North must be the most confused bit of land on the planet as you lot never learn.
Many would say that the most successful Irish Republic teams were "British influenced" too.
Cliftonville FC are the oldest club on the island of Ireland - end of.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
You sound like the BBC. The official name of this state is Ireland with the Republic of Ireland being an accepted description of the type of state, but it is never the 'Irish Republic'!
As for the 'home of Irish football' debate, pre-partition Belfast was undispitably the home of Irish football. Post-partition it will obviously depend on your definition of what and where is Irish.
For me it's Dublin (Dalymount) for the home of Irish football, Belfast for the home of Northern Irish football and Belfast for the home of football in Ireland (the island).
To paraphrase Father Ted: "That would be a political matter".We are discussing football, where the official names of the two teams are "Republic of Ireland" and "Northern Ireland" (with the IFA having the right to call their team "Ireland" for non-World Cup or European Championship games, btw)
You mean it's open to debate? Silly me, I always thought "Irish" pertained to all things connected with that little island in the Atlantic, known as, ahem, "Ireland". Or were the IRFU correct when they declared a game in Belfast to be "outside Ireland"?
Ah well, we still win 2-1 on aggregate and qualify for the next round, then!
Limavady also claim to be the oldest football club on the island. However their claim is a bit more dubious than that of Cliftonville's.
Is there some dubious cloud over Cliftonville's claim?
Not really. The IFA acknowledges Cliftonville as the oldest e.g. on its website:
Founded in the Queens Hotel, Belfast back on 18th November 1880 the Irish Football Association is the fourth oldest governing body in the world behind the other three home associations.
This inaugural meeting was at the behest of the Cliftonville club - the oldest in Ireland - who gathered clubs from Belfast and the outlying districts together with a view to creating a unifying constitution and set of rules along the lines of those adopted by their Scottish counterparts some seven years earlier.
The aims of this fledgling, but ambitious, body were to promote, foster and develop the game throughout the island.
Clubs represented at this historic gathering, alongside Cliftonville, were Avoneil, Distillery, Knock, Oldpark, Moyola Park and the Limavady-based Alexander.
Football itself first came to Ireland a couple of years earlier when Scottish clubs Queens Park and The Caledonians staged an exhibition at the Ulster Cricket Ground, Ballynafeigh after John M. McAlery, the first secretary of the new association, had discovered the game whilst on honeymoon in Edinburgh.
Major Spencer Chichester was appointed President and plans were formulated to stage a Challenge Cup competition, eventually won by Moyola Park in a 1-0 defeat of Cliftonville on 9th April 1881.
International football followed soon after although a 13-0 defeat at the hands of England at the Knock Ground, Bloomfield in 1882 wasn't quite the start that might have been desired.
http://www.irishfa.com/the-ifa/about-the-ifa/
I suspect the reason that some contest C'ville's claim is that although Limavady United was formed in 1884 by a merger of Limavady Alexander (originally a cricket club) and Limavady Wanderers (football club), it is possible that Alexander - present at the first meeting of the IFA in 1880 - or even the Wanderers(?) might conceivably have been playing football as a properly constituted club before C'ville, but tbh it's all very hazy.
http://limavadyunited1876.com/main/?page_id=18
http://albionroad.com/club-profiles/...dy-united.html
That phrase implies some doubt.a bit more dubious than that of Cliftonville's.
Maybe Gspain just means the claim to be Ireland's oldest has dubious value.
Which is true if it's not your own club making the claim
Last edited by geysir; 01/09/2008 at 12:42 PM.
Most authorities are not in any doubt as to C'ville's position. However, there are some who contest it, considering that Limavady has the prior claim. Such evidence as these latter have is not generally taken as being persuasive.That phrase implies some doubt.
Maybe Gspain just means the claim to be Ireland's oldest has dubious value.
Which is true if it's not your own club making the claim
Either way, NI is the home of football in Ireland, with Belfast the "football capital"
That's it, really.
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