Are Cork City Gone

[pete]

Remember we have assets

You do?

[Demoshield]

Complete joke of a punishment, the FAI are a joke, First galway get fined €300 for racist comments made by some "fans" of theirs. Shels nearly get thrown outta the league for a very similiar situatuion as Cork and Cork get a point deduction and a slap on the wrist. There getting worse and worse the FAI.

Slow down, deep breaths, don't go gettin youself all worked up like that.
GUFC were fined because "A" scumbag (ie 1 scumbag) made a racist comment. Read the title of the thread before you post, nothing to do with this discussion.
Cork got deducted ten (ie 10) points. Not "a point deduction".
Yourself & sligofan4ever in the St Pat's vs Elfs thread really on the ball tonight. Even for Sligwegians thats shocking.

Originally Posted by sligofan4ever
3-2 aggregate so far
1st leg Elfs 2-2 Pats (pats have 2 goals which means its really 4-2)
2nd leg St.Pats 0-1 Elfs (elfs have 1 away goal which means 4-4 and could to extra time)

[HarpoJoyce]

If a club collects enough asterixes can they be used as Ninja stars at a later date?

[pete]

If a club collects enough asterixes can they be used as Ninja stars at a later date?

You get to put them on your jersey like for League wins.

[stickyjoe]

Absolutely scandalous decision from the FAI, but hardly surprising. Where is the consistency? They hung Shels out to dry and rightly relegated them and since then have come riding to the rescue of Waterford and Limerick and now give Cork a small slap on the wrist. Its no wonder Shels fans are giving out.

Be interesting to see what happens when it happens next to either Bohs, Drogheda or Pats.

[SMorgan]

[How on earth can Cork keep their licence?

They got the dame thing on the basis of a commitment from the club owners that wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. Therefore they got the licence under false portentous and they should loss it. End of.

Todays decision mades the whole set-up a laughing stock.

Where can I buy those Liverpool shares?

[stamullendrog]

there not going to **** cork out of the league in the middle of the season.if things aint patched up by the end of the season they will more than likely get the shels treatment.while i wouldnt be a big cork fan the league needs a team from cork city in it and i hope it gets sorted to some degree where the club is still around.best of luck with it lads

[Bohemian1890]

Exactly. Shels kept their title for that season but could not get a Premier or European licence the following season. Did Shels go into Examinership? They failed to pay players wages for a lot longer than 1 week.

Shels gave up that European place afaik as they would not have a team to enter it??

[stann]

Absolutely scandalous decision from the FAI, but hardly surprising. Where is the consistency? They hung Shels out to dry and rightly relegated them and since then have come riding to the rescue of Waterford and Limerick and now give Cork a small slap on the wrist. Its no wonder Shels fans are giving out.

Be interesting to see what happens when it happens next to either Bohs, Drogheda or Pats.

Em, when did they come riding to the rescue of Waterford? And have a proper think about it this time.

[Bluebeard]

On the night we should be celebrating a great result for the league, we're first presented with league damaging news. In the morning, the broadsheets will be enjoying the opportunity to talk of some English team rumoured to be spending £Xmillion on a mediocre left back, Ronaldo's typical breakfast cereal, the price of Guinness in the Irish pub in Mainz, and their token LOI coverage will be focussed on Cork being trouble. Nice.

Cork City are still alive to the end of the season, by the looks of things. I for one am glad. Whatever about any guff about the league needing a strong Cork team, the league does not need another team to collapse midseason. Nor does it need some of its more eloquent and informed younger fans (sadly I do mean us) to be tearing strips off each other over the matter. Reading this thread has been like watching players on the same team starting to throw punches at one another after conceding a soft goal.

Like it or not, dislike the other teams or not, if the LOI has a bad rep, are teams do too by association. I want to see the Blues destroy everyone on the field of play week in week out and genuinely have little interest in the results of teams that are more than two or three places above or below us. However, in cases like this, though Cork are out of my field of vision (for this season anyway), this matters. The reputation of the league, and as a result, WUFC, is at stake.

While Arkaga may be sh!tehawks of the first degree, laughing at Cork fans for being glad that some crowd came along and promised to make sure everything was good is naive on the part of all fans of LOI teams, except perhaps Wexford (thanks to one man's missionary work and funding) and Monaghan (a team funded by its own bar). We at Waterford had our troubles season after season the past few years (dunno about the FAI bailing us out and I wouldn't say that Lims really got saved as much as an extension on a loan of trust). Lims folded and reformed in a matter of weeks. Shels fans got the thin end of the wedge, but sadly the management of the club had earned it. Dublin City died a horrible sudden death while doing OK in the Premier Division. Have people forgotten that one of the better run clubs in the country, ambition free Kilkenny sank at the beginning of the year?

Who has lost out in all these situations. Not the Boards of Directors, for the most part, thanks to laws put in to protect companies. Not even so much the players, almost all players cut loose who were full time were back in employment at the next transfer window, many of the better part-timers found their way back into the league somewhere before too long. Certainly not the media - bad news sells papers. Nope, as usual, the fans suffer. And what is happening to Cork fans right now was felt by us a few months back (and probably again by the end of the season), by Kilkenny at the season's start, by Lims ans Shels over Christmas 2006, Rovers before then, the list continues.

Ultimately the league does not need a strong Cork team any more than a strong Waterford team or a strong Limerick team or a strong Derry team. Many of us would like that, but what the league needs most are strong teams, from as many different towns and cities as possible. However Cork needs a strong league team, and Cork's fans, who are no better than any others, whatever they may say, nor any worse, whatever we may chant, deserve better than this awfulness. And we need to be aware that, with very few exceptions, it could happen us yet. To take a line from a good entertaining, if patchy novel, "Brother, before you take the splinter from my eye, attend the plank in your own".

Cue a horde of replies saying how wonderful their club is, how they are not guilty, or asking what would I know about any of this.

At this stage Id be delighted to be guaranteed first division football next season

Swap divisions with ya

[micls]

Swap divisions with ya

Very good post. Thanks for that.

Guarantee me a club next year and I would in a heartbeat

[Bluebeard]

Very good post. Thanks for that.

Guarantee me a club next year and I would in a heartbeat

The London Branch of the Dublin Blues Supporters Club is opening up a Cork office this weekend! Find me on Patrick's Hill at the cycling on SUnday, and I can get you approved in a matter of seconds. It might be a different club, but it is a club

[cheifo]

Tin hat on here but I feel the FAI made the correct decision.
Fans of the club should be taken into consideration, and given the fact that there is much turmoil still to come , a 10 point deduction is enough.
I can obviously understand why fans of other clubs are angry at the lack of consistency.

[bohs til i die]

****ing joke. 10 points?? **** that. The FAI make it up as they go along. Can't believe we were almost flung out of the league for something similar yet Cork get off with a slap on the wrist.

Actually the penalty is a reasonably fair one. Its the standard penalty for clubs in england who enter administration (Examinerhsip isnt the same but its similar).

Shels repeatedly didnt pay players, built up debts of millions, far more then Cork and were spending far more money in a reckless manner. Shels had also faced several winding-up orders from the revenue commissioners.

Im surprised the FAI have taken a decision now. I thought they might wait until the process is complete before making a judgement. I had expected Cork to be relegated at the end of the season because I thought the FAI would want to make an example of one of the bigger clubs as a warning to the rest of the league.

[jinxy lilywhite]

Actually the penalty is a reasonably fair one. Its the standard penalty for clubs in england who enter administration (Examinerhsip isnt the same but its similar).

Shels repeatedly didnt pay players, built up debts of millions, far more then Cork and were spending far more money in a reckless manner. Shels had also faced several winding-up orders from the revenue commissioners.

Im surprised the FAI have taken a decision now. I thought they might wait until the process is complete before making a judgement. I had expected Cork to be relegated at the end of the season because I thought the FAI would want to make an example of one of the bigger clubs as a warning to the rest of the league.

The FAI made their decision as the examiner advised that while punishment/sanction where looming in Cork it may deter potential investors

[Dodge]

Todays decision mades the whole set-up a laughing stock.

because they follow european standards by deducting points for a team going into examinership/administration. 10 points over a 33 game season is a tough penalty

You get to put them on your jersey like for League wins.

The nearest comparable situation in our league was Rovers, and they got a points deduction. And even then, they didn't get any sanctions for going into examinership.

Remember that Shels weren't punished for their indiscretions that season (being allowed keep the league'n'all), they were refused a premier license for the next. Cork still have to apply for that license, so they may end up in division one.

As it stands, 10 points is an appropriate sanction.

[passinginterest]

Ten points seems fair to me too. It gives the club a chance to get it's house in order before the end of the season, if a new investor comes in and covers the losses they can get back within the other licensing criteria and qualify for a new premier license next season. Hopefully the supporters can buy into the club enough to have a major say in it's future direction.

[LeixlipRed]

You do?

How many times has this been discussed on here? We own the lease to Tolka. And have already sold it. For 20 million plus. And there's a sizeable sum left.

[OneRedArmy]

And there's a sizeable sum left.

How much exactly?

Do you have immediate access to it?

[holidaysong]

A ten point deduction is an insult to all the clubs playing by the rules and keeping their finances in order. Cork City's Premier Licence should have been withdrawn and they should have been relegated.