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02/04/2008, 1:00 PM
Shedender81

Losing Bertie

All jokes aside , What if any affect will it on the FAI and the game in Ireland with a new man in power in Govt Buildings..

In the last 11 years we have seen massive change in sport in Ireland and serious govt backing for a lot of football clubs..

For those who dont think it will have any... Think of this have you ever seen Enda Kenny at a League of Ireland ground...

The FAI dont have the lobby the GAA and to a lesser extent the IRFU (has the media , 10 pages on the AIL I mean who watches it or plays it)
02/04/2008, 1:01 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by Shedender81

All jokes aside , What if any affect will it on the FAI and the game in Ireland with a new man in power in Govt Buildings..

In the last 11 years we have seen massive change in sport in Ireland and serious govt backing for a lot of football clubs..

For those who dont think it will have any... Think of this have you ever seen Enda Kenny at a League of Ireland ground...

The FAI dont have the lobby the GAA and to a lesser extent the IRFU (has the media , 10 pages on the AIL I mean who watches it or plays it)

Perhaps our premier will choose to be seen at more LoI games than ManYoo ones.
02/04/2008, 1:25 PM
finnpark

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Originally Posted by Shedender81

All jokes aside , What if any affect will it on the FAI and the game in Ireland with a new man in power in Govt Buildings..

In the last 11 years we have seen massive change in sport in Ireland and serious govt backing for a lot of football clubs..

For those who dont think it will have any... Think of this have you ever seen Enda Kenny at a League of Ireland ground...

The FAI dont have the lobby the GAA and to a lesser extent the IRFU (has the media , 10 pages on the AIL I mean who watches it or plays it)

Good riddence. He has done absolutely nothing for Irish soccer apart from destroying the FAI's Eircom Park.

Leader of Ireland supporting a british football team, says it all really. Won't be missed :mad:
02/04/2008, 1:32 PM
noby

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

Perhaps our premier will choose to be seen at more LoI games than ManYoo ones.

Is LoI big in Offaly?
02/04/2008, 1:38 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by Shedender81

have you ever seen Enda Kenny at a League of Ireland ground...

As often as Bertie.
02/04/2008, 1:40 PM
finnpark

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Originally Posted by noby

Is LoI big in Offaly?

Tullamore are in the A Championship now :D

Don't worry the GAA money machine will get an increase to line the pockets of the GAA knobs exploiting the "amateur" association :( Soccer is a distance 2nd or 3rd, especially the LOI
02/04/2008, 1:51 PM
Shedender81

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Originally Posted by Schumi

As often as Bertie.

Bertie was regular in Dalymount PK in the ;late 80s and even if he did jon the bandwagon at least it was the "SOCCER" one
02/04/2008, 2:05 PM
L37Ultra

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Originally Posted by Shedender81

All jokes aside , What if any affect will it on the FAI and the game in Ireland with a new man in power in Govt Buildings..

In the last 11 years we have seen massive change in sport in Ireland and serious govt backing for a lot of football clubs..

For those who dont think it will have any... Think of this have you ever seen Enda Kenny at a League of Ireland ground...

The FAI dont have the lobby the GAA and to a lesser extent the IRFU (has the media , 10 pages on the AIL I mean who watches it or plays it)

The only time I have seen Bertie Ahern at a Eircom League ground was once they were playing a English Club.
02/04/2008, 2:09 PM
ifk101

Bertie has stated that he was a fan of Drumcondra. That's the only thing I've heard him say about LOI football.
02/04/2008, 2:20 PM
finnpark

Can anyone guess who the FF head is on this thread? :D

Bung bung :D
02/04/2008, 2:36 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by Shedender81

Idiot You petty anti British crap is last century

On Jason McAteer

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Originally Posted by Shedender81

Did i say it was the same game... the mere fact we are mentioning so few incidents backs up the feeling he was overrated . over used and was in fact basically a footballing gypo who to be honest would have rather played for England

Pot. Kettle. Black.
02/04/2008, 2:44 PM
Dr. Ogba

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Originally Posted by Shedender81

Bertie was regular in Dalymount PK in the ;late 80s and even if he did jon the bandwagon at least it was the "SOCCER" one

er how do you know this? as ifk stated he was a fan of Drumcondra (according to himself) back in the day. has he ever been in tolka or dalyer to see bohs or shels since the 70's/80's? Only club matches he has been seen at in recent times has been Man United matches....
02/04/2008, 2:49 PM
bohsRap

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Originally Posted by Shedender81

You petty anti British crap is last century

How is anything he said anti-british? He wasn't giving out about any british team or about anything british.

You're quote about Enda Kenny and the LOI is irrelevant also because Bertie is rarely seen at games.
02/04/2008, 2:54 PM
Shedender81

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Originally Posted by bohsRap

How is anything he said anti-british? He wasn't giving out about any british team or about anything british.

You're quote about Enda Kenny and the LOI is irrelevant also because Bertie is rarely seen at games.

FACTS ARE REGARDLESS OF YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS... HAVE THE FAI BEEN BETTER OFF DURING HIS TIME IN POWER
02/04/2008, 2:57 PM
Dr. Ogba

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Originally Posted by Shedender81

FACTS ARE REGARDLESS OF YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS... HAVE THE FAI BEEN BETTER OFF DURING HIS TIME IN POWER

calm down Bertie
02/04/2008, 2:58 PM
BradyIsMyHero

In fairness to Bertie, he regularly referred to the FAI as "the crowd who think they run soccer in this country"
02/04/2008, 3:10 PM
Block G Raptor

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Originally Posted by BradyIsMyHero

In fairness to Bertie, he regularly referred to the FAI as "the crowd who think they run soccer in this country"

So at least he had a shred of honesty in him ;)
02/04/2008, 3:28 PM
kingdom hoop

I don't think it makes much difference in practice as the most important issues (such as lobbying for grants at grass-roots level) are more about local politics - which is largely why GAA clubs seem to get more money; more votes to be bought. But I'll put the can-opener away for now. :)

Anyway, if speaking nationally, the debate should be more about what Seamus Brennan is doing/not doing that John O'Donoghue did, or what any sports minister should do for football here. No doubt it would've been a great publicity boon if Bertie was a Bohs, or whoever, fan, but of course it wouldn't have much practical significance.
02/04/2008, 3:39 PM
drummerboy

Good man to replace Delaney
02/04/2008, 3:44 PM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by BradyIsMyHero

In fairness to Bertie, he regularly referred to the FAI as "the crowd who think they run soccer in this country"

And that my friend says everything about the LOI fans.
02/04/2008, 3:45 PM
paul_oshea

Anyway we all know politics is a popularity contest anyhow :)
02/04/2008, 4:37 PM
bohsRap

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Originally Posted by Shedender81

FACTS ARE REGARDLESS OF YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS... HAVE THE FAI BEEN BETTER OFF DURING HIS TIME IN POWER

Thats doesn't make sense. I didn't mention my personal views in my post, only facts.

Personally I'm not too sure a change of taoiseach will have much bearing on the FAI or our national team.
02/04/2008, 4:59 PM
holidaysong

If Dermot Ahern was the next Taoiseach then we'd be sorted!
02/04/2008, 7:31 PM
pete

TBH I could little if leader of the country is a sports fan or not. Funding for sport is not dependent on attending events. Enda Kenny attended the Cork City v Drogs FAI Cup final in 2005 & was sitting next to City fan in VIP section. Funding has increased due to greater state funds available. I don't know if Bertie was there too.

Bertie picks Drumcondra as it is convenient. If he was honest he would admit he not a big football supporter. For a lot of people Manchester United is entertainment like going to the cinema so doesn't necessarily make anyone a football supporter. It is obvious he is a Dubs GAA fan though.

In sporting terms Bertie gave us the Bertie Bowl (at a guess a 200m+ white elephant. As mentioned above it was his decision to kill Eircom Park. Who knows if it would have been completed as costs were rising but so also was the wealth of the FAI & the country. His governments also subsidise the Horse & Dog Racing industry but 50m a year including pay half all prize money. As a GAA fan his government have agreed to pay amateur GAA players which for unknown reasons make them more special than all other amateur sports people.
02/04/2008, 8:51 PM
Soper

Ireland really held their own against Cyprus...their own todgers
02/04/2008, 9:36 PM
back of the net

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Originally Posted by noby

Is LoI big in Offaly?

it soon will be - go on tullamore
02/04/2008, 10:01 PM
ramsfan

remember reading the paper after rugby world cup some reporter said about stan, eddie osullivan and bertie, he said they the media had pushed stan out eddie was in the process of being pushed and then bertie would be houndy until he left, how right he was, but who will they go after next................
02/04/2008, 10:05 PM
pete

Moderator: Off Topic posts from ciaran & replies moved to rubbish. Keep it on topic.
03/04/2008, 8:33 AM
Junior

and who says politics and sport dont mix eh?:rolleyes:
03/04/2008, 10:59 AM
livehead1

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Originally Posted by pete

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As a GAA fan his government have agreed to pay amateur GAA players which for unknown reasons make them more special than all other amateur sports people.

Come of it; if your a GAA fan you'll be well aware that there are only amateur in the sense that they don't get a wage from the sport they dedicate their lives to. If you can find me many other amateur sports that attracts millions of viewers on TV and 80,000 in the stradiums then I'd like to see it. Untill then, there much more 'special' than all other amateur sports people.
03/04/2008, 11:08 AM
Macy

As has been said, the FAI (for good or ill) would've had it's own ground by now if it wasn't for Ahern and his non-existant Bowl. Would've meant far less funding from Government than they're putting into Lansdowne too.

His Government clearly favoured other sports, such as Horse Racing and Dog Racing and the GAA more than football (or a range of other sports).

And the vast majority of the money is lottery money anyway, not from Government coffers, it's just how they spin it.
03/04/2008, 11:08 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

And that my friend says everything about the LOI fans.

How so? Its a comment by a non LOI an on people with no interest in the LOI?

i await your explanation
03/04/2008, 11:11 AM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by livehead1

Come of it; if your a GAA fan you'll be well aware that there are only amateur in the sense that they don't get a wage from the sport they dedicate their lives to. If you can find me many other amateur sports that attracts millions of viewers on TV and 80,000 in the stradiums then I'd like to see it. Untill then, there much more 'special' than all other amateur sports people.

So they deserve government funding because their organisation has more money than any other amateur sport? :confused:
03/04/2008, 11:12 AM
finnpark

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Originally Posted by Macy

His Government clearly favoured other sports, such as Horse Racing and Dog Racing and the GAA more than football (or a range of other sports).

That goes back to the days of Haughey and carries on today. Did you know that jockeys and trainers pay no tax on their winnings and bookmakers' betting tax was abolished. Millionaires paying no tax. If the FAI bribed them too, soccer in this country would be in a very healthy state ;) Of course we are the fools,, its all coming out of our pockets at the end of the day.
03/04/2008, 11:42 AM
Bluebeard

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Originally Posted by Macy

As has been said, the FAI (for good or ill) would've had it's own ground by now if it wasn't for Ahern and his non-existant Bowl. Would've meant far less funding from Government than they're putting into Lansdowne too.

His Government clearly favoured other sports, such as Horse Racing and Dog Racing and the GAA more than football (or a range of other sports).

And the vast majority of the money is lottery money anyway, not from Government coffers, it's just how they spin it.

I agree completely, but, at the risk of defending defending them, prior to player "Assistance" the GAA has received very little in comparison to the horses and dogs. Even the �60m for Croker was over three years. In the same budget, I seem to recall something like �157m to horses in various ways, while �90m went to the dogs*. While the GAA are doing better than the FAI, they are really not the "enemy as regards funding.

Then, look at cycling, volleyball, etc. What do they ever get. Ireland had two of the most collossal cyclists in the 80s, Kelly certainly worthy of a place among the greatest ever. CJH jumped that bandwagon. What about Cycling in Ireland now - what funding is it receiving? Did anyone know we sent David O'Loughlin to the world track championships where he finished 6 in his discipline? Had we a velodrome, how might he have done? I had a friend who was among the top Irish Volleyball players and she was quitting at the age od 26 because she couildn't continue - there was funding enough only for a men's or a women's team, plus a few voluntary coaches and to keep the office going.

While football is treated as second cousin to Gaelic (don't get me start about the way hurling is treated), we are way better off than other sports, and the GAA are in the poor house compared to the dogs and the horses. Decisions about funding of sports should be removed from the government, and put in the hands of an independent body with a view to the general health, wellbeing and development of sports participation and sports development in Ireland.

Vote for me at the party congress next month, and I promise you-

* these figures are rough memory - anyone can correct them, brilliant, please show me the error of my ways!
03/04/2008, 11:48 AM
Macy

And the capital grants to GAA clubs compared to the football clubs? (and seriously not having a go at the GAA here, but at the Government allocation).
03/04/2008, 12:37 PM
Shedender81

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Originally Posted by Bluebeard

I agree completely, but, at the risk of defending defending them, prior to player "Assistance" the GAA has received very little in comparison to the horses and dogs. Even the �60m for Croker was over three years. In the same budget, I seem to recall something like �157m to horses in various ways, while �90m went to the dogs*. While the GAA are doing better than the FAI, they are really not the "enemy as regards funding.

Then, look at cycling, volleyball, etc. What do they ever get. Ireland had two of the most collossal cyclists in the 80s, Kelly certainly worthy of a place among the greatest ever. CJH jumped that bandwagon. What about Cycling in Ireland now - what funding is it receiving? Did anyone know we sent David O'Loughlin to the world track championships where he finished 6 in his discipline? Had we a velodrome, how might he have done? I had a friend who was among the top Irish Volleyball players and she was quitting at the age od 26 because she couildn't continue - there was funding enough only for a men's or a women's team, plus a few voluntary coaches and to keep the office going.

While football is treated as second cousin to Gaelic (don't get me start about the way hurling is treated), we are way better off than other sports, and the GAA are in the poor house compared to the dogs and the horses. Decisions about funding of sports should be removed from the government, and put in the hands of an independent body with a view to the general health, wellbeing and development of sports participation and sports development in Ireland.

Vote for me at the party congress next month, and I promise you-

* these figures are rough memory - anyone can correct them, brilliant, please show me the error of my ways!

I dont disagree with you.. but the plain fact is we the soccer family got more out his govt than we ever did before

As for the cycling... Funding may have something to do with how clean the sport is.....

Andrew Bree... really an over the counter deconjestant ;-)))
03/04/2008, 12:44 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Shedender81

As for the cycling... Funding may have something to do with how clean the sport is.....

name one track cyclist who's been found guilty of taking performance enhancing drugs
03/04/2008, 1:01 PM
kingdom hoop

Good post Bluebeard. I think a more independent body, extricated from the political realm and the associative baggage, for divying up sports grants would be a great leap forward. (Interestingly, as it happens, Ireland has the highest rate of proliferation in regulatory agencies in the developed world!)
03/04/2008, 1:07 PM
Bluebeard

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Originally Posted by Macy

And the capital grants to GAA clubs compared to the football clubs? (and seriously not having a go at the GAA here, but at the Government allocation).

Again, I don't disagree, but the fact is that while we have been cavilling about the GAA and what they got, (and other sports about us), the government cleverly played divide and conquer, so we got caught up rowing with the GAA, while the greyhounds and horses got Zimbabwean figures of money. End result? Football and GAA fans fight among each other drowning out the demands of the smaller sports, who need the money even more to develop, while the biggest funders of the party see money flow into what interests them without anyone kicking up a fuss becasue they are too caught up with the "But if he got that, why did I only get this?" QED.

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