Anyone see the Herald?
Story about Rovers singing 'Wayne O'Donoghue is a hoop, is a hoop, is a hoop, he kills corkies', down in Cobh on Saturday.
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Anyone see the Herald?
Story about Rovers singing 'Wayne O'Donoghue is a hoop, is a hoop, is a hoop, he kills corkies', down in Cobh on Saturday.
well done rovers fans another poor day in the history of a great club
If you believe this story I feel sorry for you. Nothing of the nature of this song was sung at the game. And nice of the herag to blame us for the dundalk fiasco. All they had to do was ring the cops in dundalk to find out the true story.
Made up stories has been their agenda against the club for a number of years now. What goes around comes around. Same muppet who wrote this garbage claimed that some first team Rovers player had glassed a barman. The kid had played for the U15 team.
KOH
Take my advice, don't reply to threads like these, as the same fools will always want to put the boot into Rovers whatever the herald saysQuote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
I've no idea of the truth or otherwise behind this story, so won't comment on it any further than to say it obviously doesn't look good for Rovers.
Regardless of its truth - this is the latest in a series of newspaper reports/artciles presenting Rovers in a bad light. If such stories do contain little or no truth, then why isn't Shamrock Rovers doing something about it ? If the press are openly misrepresenting or lying in their reports, the Press Complaints people are there to refer them to. There's even legal address for cases that are clearly unfair/untrue/misrepresented..
Has the 400 club even asked for a meeting with the Sports Editor or Head Editor of the Herald to talk to them about this ? Surely somethign as simple as this to convey the club's concerns about what is being written and about a percieved agenda would be an obvious step to take ?
Do you or do you not sing songs about Pierce McAuley being a hoop?
Nice song that praising the actions of a murder
Pattern emerging??
Although the WOD 'song' I think no set of fans could go that low taking into account its the Hearld (probably bull****)...then again dont think they could go that low to make something like that up or have the brain to? Or could they...
Great Post. If it is lies,then Rovers have rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
There is no press complaints commission/procedure in the Republic of Ireland so they can say what they like.
As much as i hate rovers i have to stick up for them on this one. No cobh fans have mentioned anything at all about this on here so therefore none of them heard it or knows anybody that heard it. At most id say it was a small handfull of people saying it if at all
I knew Rovers fans were behind that killing, I knew it...
Is there no right to redress bar the courts then ?Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
Shocking lack of accountability if there isn't.
You can only go to the courts if you have been defamed. The Herald have written 'fans attached to Rovers did x and y' but that doesn't actually defame Rovers as a club.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Is McDowell bringing that in soon?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
Im impressed that other clubs fans havent jumped straight in and hammered
us about it and have taken a measured view.
As one of the few sober hoops in the ground I can honestly say I never heard
this chant. I obviously wasnt in all places at all times but If Scum did sing
it then they really need to take a long walk off a short pier.
I dont believe it happened because of the lies previously told re the Dundalk incidents which I witnessed. I genuinely believe there is an anti Rovers agenda in that paper.
I'm not suggesting the courts in this instance, but I'm amazed and genuinely disappointed that there is no sort of Press Complaints Commission in the Republic to deal with this sort of thing. Shocking gap in consumer protection rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooperatzi
Have the 400 Club askled the Herald for a meeting over these ongoing stories, or will they just moan and let them happen regardless ? There is nothing to lose in asking and hopefully having a mature and professional meeting with the paper about perceived bias.
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Originally Posted by Hooperatzi
No you just fill empty gaps :rolleyes:
Can't take this report too seriously without any attributed quotes, typical Herald type stuff.
Was there really any sort of a pitch invasion and confrontation at the end of the game?
Well - try arranging a meeting with the New Editor to discuss the whole situation, like I've suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooperatzi
What have you got to lose ?
Correct, we've taken plenty of legal advice most of which amounts to "you haven't a hope against Tony O'Reilly."Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
We badly need a non-statutory Press Council to stop the Herald in particular and the other rags from printing this nonsense and even more dangerous stuff like the coverage of the Rachel O'Reilly murder.
Instead of a Press Council Herr McDowell is introducing stringent privacy laws which will hinder journalists going about their daily work and yet will not help the man in the street gaining redress from these lowlifes
The only consolation is that the way the Herald is losing sales Shamrock Rovers will be around long after they're gone.
KOH
I know somebody who was at the match (which is weird as he never goes to any soccer matches!!), his college mates are Cobh fans and he was up there for a few days. He told me about the chants. Said there was only a small bunch of "drunken retards" doing it. Nine or ten tops.
The Herald article fails to mention that the vast, vast majority of fans at the game didn't do anything wrong. Yet they get a story out of a tiny bunch of yobs acting like idiots. He said it was literally a handful and he wouldn't have heard it unless he was sranding a few feet away. Nothing to shame the club or league. Mind you, Rovers do need to get rid of the last few scumbags that will be reading this story tonight and feel proud of themselves. "Something for the scrapbook" they'll say, "another Herald article abou' me and Anto and the Boyz..."...
For what its worth, none of the Cobh fans i work with heard it .... they would have been in earshot aswell so it definitely didn't happen unless Rovers fans were singing it amongst themselves, which is fine just as long as no one has to endure it.
The short of it ..... the Herald seem to have made up a complete crock ...... again !!
Edit :
That seems to match to be honest ..... if it was sung then it wasn't loudly or by many people. But then again you could say that 5-6 Rovers slaughtered a lamb and offered it to the gods and put the same spin as the Herald did, all they say is 'prove it didn't happen' ....... the reasoning and intent behind that paper is what should be considered when ever they are mentioned. You just know its not for the good of the community anyway, they dont do 'for the good of the community' !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Philly
That would be a lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooperatzi
My opinion. I was also sober....I can honestly say that I never heard it being sung at the game or otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
El Fans Boycott The Herald!!
Christ, I hope most of us are doing this already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philly
I personally take great delight in refusing the freesheet morning rag they produce every day on the way to work.
Gutter journalism, and worse, gutter journalism by someone hellbent on kicking the Eircom League further down, as if it needs it.
I am quite sure he said he was in the ground a few feet from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooperatzi
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by sduffy
and for anyone who doesn't, have a read of this:
http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=578707&postcount=13
:rolleyes:
And rovers fans have their heads in the sand all season!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooperatzi
As i've already said in this thread i dont believe that it was a majority of rovers fans that were chanting that that it was very few but no rovers fans have condemed it at all. That aside i dont see how you cand defend this. http://www.foot.ie/showpost.php?p=578483&postcount=35 No matter what trouble happens that involves rovers fans its always someone elses fault. I know your not always to blame but it'd help once in a while if you held your hands up and said yeah that wasnt on. We have done it with the trouble that happend on the carrick road outside oriel where a few scumbag schoolagans waited for your fans.
So why didn't they give the guy money as they were going through the gate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooperatzi
Your club really is unbelievable and your head in the sand attitude is $hels like to say the least. :rolleyes:
Holy fcuk - you're seriously asking what would you have to gain from talking to the Herald about your allegation of constant mistreatment at their hands ?!?!? :eek: :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Hooperatzi
I would've thought it was blindingly obvious. If it only caused them to think twice, or alter even just one word, the next time they came to do a story about Rovers then it would've been worthwhile !
You can claim meeting with them would do no good, or even that they wouldn't weant to meet with Rovers, but until the club asks the question and/or has such a meeting you simply won't know ! And even if it did - so fcuk. The potential benefits of engaging with the Herald massively out-weigh the downside of spending an hour of your club's time in the hope of reducing, playing-down or stopping the extremely negative reporting Rovers receives from that paper.
But sure - just lean back with your hands behind your heads doing nothing but bemoaning the paper whilst the name of your club, and by association the League, gets dragged through the gutter on a regular basis. For a fan-rum club, that is a terribly negative/defeatist attitude to have.
Just a thought.
If rovers really believe the conspiracy theory then could it be to do with Tallaght?
The whole thing seems mad. A Herald reporter going down to Cobh and standing beside a handful of "fans" singing that crap. No one, but a very small handful hear it, and it ends up big news in the Herald rag??
I would be looking for a connection between a South Dublin GAA club and the Herald.
No you haven't dealt with it or ever will. There has been trouble caused by Dundalk "fans" against Rovers fans at Oriel for decades. It's as predictable as Dundalk playing there on Thursday nights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
There were no chants about the crime committed by WOD, sung by our fans at the game in Cobh.
I don't think the Rovers directors should go anywhere near the herald editor. Next headline - "Herald Editor Threatened by Rovers Mob".Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Reading this thread as an interested observer i am amazed that it has taken as much internet space as it has. It is a non-story. A few sh1theads sing a sick chant (but keep it low so hardly anyone can hear) and it gets this coverage? I can think of thousands of times that some young scut or idiot has tried to start a stupid chant but has been quickly told to shut the fcuk up by reasonable fans around him. If all these made it to the papers there'd be room for nothing else. I am sur emost of the Rovers fans at that game if they heard the chat would have given these fellas a smack around the head.
I think the critcisms of Rovers on this one is a bit OTT. IMO that club does need to do more regarding 'fan' behaviour and its tolerance (certainly we do as well after our last game against them - but I think we accept that, they don't) but by jumping up and down on every little inconsequential piece of coverage just trivialises the serious issues. There is nothing to this.
How can we deal with something that happened outside the ground??Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
So you still wont admit that your "fans" have ever done anything wrong?
If the chants were not sung by your fans who sung it??
Excellent post.Quote:
Originally Posted by LFC in Exile
In fairness lads I was right down beside the singing Rovers fans and I never once heard anything like that being sung. I hope Rovers take action because its VERY bad press for them.
2 Rovers volunteers pointed out to a steward that a cash take should have been set up at the gate to speed people through (We did that at the cup game when the crowd showed up at the last minute).
Response: The stile (singular) has been open since 6.00.
Jaysus lads, some of you are in severe danger of spontaneously combusting from an overdose of self-rightousness. And all this hysteria based on an Evening Herald story. You sound like a bunch of old Tories after reading a Daily Mail story on immigration.
The Herald hate us, it's simple. And DCFCSteve, of course we've made representations but Ian Mallon, Mick McCaffrey et al see us as news - to them we represent "what's wrong with society" and we make good copy.
The Herald operates on creating and hyping up fear, especially re. crime. The building of an image of us as rampaging hordes out to destroy decent society fits the Herald bill perfectly. I know this is all fact from speaking to other Herald journalists who are embarrassed by this rubbish - at least one of the blokes I spoke to is a die hard Bohs fan.
These same journalists are equally ashamed of the Herald's handling of high profile murder cases. The official Herald editorial line is "we don't care."
In the last few years they've claimed that we are Nazis, we orchestrated the Orange riots in Dublin, we've attacked Dundalk fans and now we've sung this song at the Cobh game. I've forgotten the full list because it's too depressing.
But if the high horse brigade are happy buying into this agenda then good luck to you. Taking your opinions from a rag like the Herald does you no credit and the Herald will never even wound Shamrock Rovers not to mind destroy us.
KOH
In fairness, if two Rovers fans bumped into each other, the Herald would run a front page story on Football Hooligans Riot. They go way over-the-top about anything bad that has any connection to Rovers.
I've always thought they have some of the best and worst fans in the country. I don't know if that song was sung or by whom, but I wouldn't let it colour my judgement of the club as a whole. A couple of young idiots at our games have been known to sing about what they'd rather be than a Dub, but are quickly drowned out. That doesn't make all of us cross-burning racists.
The Herald definitely have an unhealthy obsession with Shamrock Rovers. Sure the day Joe O'Reilly was arrested, I said to the lads at our game, "What will the Herald do with their front page if Rovers actually do riot tonight?"