Greatest Managers of all time

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15/02/2006, 2:17 PM
jockser

Greatest Managers of all time

Seeing that its the 10th anniversary of the most successful manager ever in Britain Bob Paisley i thought it would be a good time to say who, in your opinion the top 3 greatest Managers/Coaches were.

1. Paisley ( 6 LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIPS
3 EUROPEAN CUPS
3 LEAGUE CUPS
1 UEFA CUP
1 EUROPEAN SUPER CUP
5 CHARITY SHIELDS
6 MANAGER OF THE YEAR AWARDS in 9 years of management.

2. Busby (he had a great team at manchester united even after the munich disaster)
3. Capello ( has won cups and leagues where ever he has gone...also that milan team in the early 90s........)

Im sure there are many great coaches in different leagues with great historys and honours but of those that i know theyd be my 3.....i think
15/02/2006, 2:38 PM
Armando

Jock Stein is the most successful if you're talking sheer quantity of trophies.

10 Scottish League Championships
9 Scottish Cups
6 Scottish League Cups
1 European Cup.
15/02/2006, 2:46 PM
NeilMcD

For me the top 3 British Managers of all time are

Paisley
Clough
Ferguson
15/02/2006, 2:50 PM
Kingdom

This could be a tough one. I think their probably should be 3 catagories here:

Greatest Domestic manager (any league)

Greatest British manager

Greatest Manager ever.

or something on those lines. Like can you really compare Jock Stein adn Fabio Capello? Not in my opinion. Or Trapatonni for that matter? Perhaps not.

I'd have to think a while before committing to anything on paper.
15/02/2006, 3:06 PM
jockser

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

I'd have to think a while before committing to anything on paper.

Dont worry you can just click on the edit button :D
15/02/2006, 3:26 PM
jockser

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

For me the top 3 British Managers of all time are

Paisley
Clough
Ferguson

yeah clough was very good too!
15/02/2006, 3:54 PM
colster

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Originally Posted by jockser

Seeing that its the 10th anniversary of the most successful manager ever in Britain Bob Paisley i thought it would be a good time to say who, in your opinion the top 3 greatest Managers/Coaches were.

1. Paisley ( 6 LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIPS
3 EUROPEAN CUPS
3 LEAGUE CUPS
1 UEFA CUP
1 EUROPEAN SUPER CUP
5 CHARITY SHIELDS
6 MANAGER OF THE YEAR AWARDS in 9 years of management.

2. Busby (he had a great team at manchester united even after the munich disaster)
3. Capello ( has won cups and leagues where ever he has gone...also that milan team in the early 90s........)

Im sure there are many great coaches in different leagues with great historys and honours but of those that i know theyd be my 3.....i think

Arrigo Sacchi had a lot to do with that Milan team in the 90s. He won the European cup with them in 89 and 90.

I can't really pick a top 3.
I think all of the following should be considered
Stein - won the European cup with a side of local players and a lot more besides
Paisley
Ferguson - rebuilt Man Utd.
Clough
Busby
Shankly??
Arrigo Sacchi + Fabio Capello for Ac Milan sides of late 80's early 90's
Rinus Michels - Dutch Inventor of Total Football.
15/02/2006, 4:25 PM
jockser

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Originally Posted by colster

Arrigo Sacchi had a lot to do with that Milan team in the 90s. He won the European cup with them in 89 and 90.

I can't really pick a top 3.
I think all of the following should be considered
Stein - won the European cup with a side of local players and a lot more besides
Paisley
Ferguson - rebuilt Man Utd.
Clough
Busby
Shankly??
Arrigo Sacchi + Fabio Capello for Ac Milan sides of late 80's early 90's
Rinus Michels - Dutch Inventor of Total Football.

yeah sacchi had alot to do with that milan team also. i just think capello proved himself in other countries and other teams too but sacchi's style of football was great too i think
Many liverpool fans believe Shankly was greater than Paisley coz he was the one who took liverpool from the 2nd division to win 3 league titles and their first cup in europe the uefa.......
There is no doubt that Paisley's era as manager was more fruitful than Shankly's in terms of trophies won. Also, it seems fair to speculate that much of what Shankly achieved would not have been possible without Bob Paisley's calm influence and knowledge of the game. But it is equally likely that without the driving force and sheer charisma of Shankly, Liverpool's spell in the doldrums in the 1950s would have reached long into the 60s and perhaps even further and Bob Paisley may never have become manager at all.
15/02/2006, 5:21 PM
Redtop

id say paisley..did ye hear niall quinn talking about him last night before the match saying that he would have been the irish manager but jack charlton got it ahead of him because someone changed there vote
15/02/2006, 5:23 PM
NeilMcD

Quinn said nothing that was not widely known anyway. That has all been well documented before to be honest.
15/02/2006, 6:15 PM
Poor Student

As far as I know Paisley had an onset Alzheimers around the time he was in with a shot of becoming the Irish manager.
15/02/2006, 7:23 PM
CollegeTillIDie

Giuseppe Trappatoni

Won Serie A , Coppa Italia, European Cup, European Cup-winners Cup, UEFA Cup, European Super Cup, Intercontinental Cup with Juventus

Bundesliga title with Bayern Munich
Portugese League title with Benfica
Plus managed Italy in Euro2004

Vujadin Boskov

He won Yugoslavia League Title with Partizan Belgrade
He won Serie A title with Sampdoria
He won Primera Liga Title with Real Madrid
He won Dutch Eere Divisie title with Feyenoord (I think)
Coached Yugoslavia in Euro 2000
Doing it in Four different countries and in four different languages is some achievement.
15/02/2006, 7:56 PM
jorge

Fabio Cappello,Arrigo Sachi,Trapatoni
16/02/2006, 9:30 AM
superfrank

Clough and Mourinho.
16/02/2006, 10:05 AM
gustavo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingdom

This could be a tough one. I think their probably should be 3 catagories here:

Greatest Domestic manager (any league)

Greatest British manager

Greatest Manager ever.

or something on those lines. Like can you really compare Jock Stein adn Fabio Capello? Not in my opinion. Or Trapatonni for that matter? Perhaps not.

I'd have to think a while before committing to anything on paper.

call me paranoid but why are you having a seperate one just for british managers!
16/02/2006, 12:54 PM
jockser

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Originally Posted by gustavo

call me paranoid but why are you having a seperate one just for british managers!

youre paranoid :D
16/02/2006, 12:58 PM
jockser

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Originally Posted by superfrank

Clough and Mourinho.

Mourinho??? one of the greatest managers of all time?? Why?
16/02/2006, 1:01 PM
jorge

why are 90% of "the greatest managers of all time british"?
16/02/2006, 4:24 PM
superfrank

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Originally Posted by jockser

Mourinho??? one of the greatest managers of all time?? Why?

Because of what he did with no money at Leiria, then what he did at Porto and Chelsea would've won the league in 2004 if Ranieri was as tactically spot-on as Mourinho is.
16/02/2006, 4:29 PM
see's it

bit early for Mourinho i think.....
Shankly,Revie,Fergie and maybe Bobby Robson
16/02/2006, 4:35 PM
Karlos

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Originally Posted by superfrank

Chelsea would've won the league in 2004 if Ranieri was as tactically spot-on as Mourinho is.

Best laugh I've had all week :D :rolleyes:
16/02/2006, 6:56 PM
jorge

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Originally Posted by jockser

youre paranoid :D

good answer :confused: :rolleyes:

Can you answer the question?
16/02/2006, 8:11 PM
Dillo

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Originally Posted by superfrank

Because of what he did with no money at Leiria, then what he did at Porto and Chelsea would've won the league in 2004 if Ranieri was as tactically spot-on as Mourinho is.

You're spot on there Super Frankie Lampard!

Jose's achievements, especially with Porto are nothing short of phenomenal. Leagues, Cups, Uefa Cup and the Champions League. The man is a different pedigree and there's every possibility he'll go on to become one of the all-time greats.

Special praise must also go to Arsene Wenger who transformed Arsenal football club in recent years. They may be hitting a bit of a slump at the moment but by God can't they play an attractive brand of football. It's fair to say Wenger founded Thierry Henry as he did Vieria and many more. Theo Walcott's preference to join Arsene's red army over Jose's brigade highlights the man's superiority when it comes to managing young players. Arsenal have one of the finest youth academys in Europe and much of this can be attributed to Wenger.

Last but by no means least comes the Moyesiah, one David Moyes who took cash stripped Everton from the brink of relegation to the dizzy heights of European football (even if it was short lived!:o ). Moyes' ability to get the most out of limited players is remarkable.
16/02/2006, 8:56 PM
joeSoap

Ferguson, Allardyce, Curbishley, Wenger are the modern day best imo. Clough, Paisley, Shankley and Busby were all legends.

Ferguson
Paisley
Busby

in that order are my top 3. Ferguson because he was under the most pressure, and succeeded. He had to re-build the most supported club in the world from scratch, and stamp his own authority on it, which he did.

Paisley was fantastic, but he was blessed with probably the greatest side the English game has ever seen. They made his job a pleasure, but he did it oh so well.

Busbys perseverence after coming so close with an amazing team that died, and winning the European Cup is hugely commendable.
17/02/2006, 11:03 AM
Hitman

Can I nominate Roddy Collins? Just to save him the bother of registering and doing so himself.
17/02/2006, 11:16 AM
gustavo

ye are all being very short sighted with the focus on english football
what about capello , lippi , trappatoni , herarra , lobonovsky
17/02/2006, 11:18 AM
gustavo

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Originally Posted by superfrank

Chelsea would've won the league in 2004 if Ranieri was as tactically spot-on as Mourinho is.

would he really have won the league if he had gronkjaer instead of robben , melchiot instead of ferraira and an ageing desailly instead of carvalho?
17/02/2006, 11:38 AM
Hither green

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

As far as I know Paisley had an onset Alzheimers around the time he was in with a shot of becoming the Irish manager.

Oh right, sort of like Bobby Robson then? :D
17/02/2006, 1:59 PM
jockser

Quote:

Originally Posted by gustavo

ye are all being very short sighted with the focus on english football
what about capello , lippi , trappatoni , herarra , lobonovsky

id have cappello slightly ahead of those others....
17/02/2006, 2:07 PM
WeAreRovers

Rinus Michels and Paddy Coad. End of.

KOH
17/02/2006, 3:36 PM
Red Rover

Johann Cryuff deserves a mention for winning four league titles in a row at Barca and their only European cup

Franz Beckenbauer also got to two world cup finals in a row and won the league at Bayern in his only season

Herbert Chapman is old school but won the league three times in a row with two different clubs,something nobody else has done
17/02/2006, 3:51 PM
Karlos

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Originally Posted by Red Rover

Herbert Chapman is old school but won the league three times in a row with two different clubs,something nobody else has done

Good shout on Herbert Chapman although technically speaking I think he died following the first league title win in that 3 in a row sequence Arsenal had in the thirties however he did win two championships, a couple of FA cups and a handful of charity shields. it was undoubetedly the team he moulded that went onto win those titles.

I'm not a fan of these best of all time polls but Chapman would have to be high up there for what he achieved.

It is also worth noting that he was a very avergae player himself during his playing days highlighted by the fact that he even played for Tottenham! :D