It's called "Final Words". Next Tuesday at 10:15pm on RTE 1. Watch it!;).
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It's called "Final Words". Next Tuesday at 10:15pm on RTE 1. Watch it!;).
looking forward to the show.
(ever hear that sketch of him on today fm ? pure funny)
I'ill be watchin it myself....in fairness I reckon its gonna fairly pathetic showing from BK. Back tracking, reversing and generally defending himself badly....
he was useless on the late late show in fairness. weak and pathetic (even though i thought he did alright with the ireland team considering)
You talking about Kerr or the Irish team?:confused: :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by onenilgameover
Think i'll go on the beer that night, listening to Kerr on the Late Late was cringeworthy enough without this giving him a forum to justify himself, when the truth is we all know he was a one trick pony bluffer in way over his head..
Jesus, I can't wait until Kerr proves himself. I'm getting fed up listening to this. He made his mistakes but he had us playing some quality football a lot of the time. Motivational skills was probably his biggest flaw but he'll learn from experience. Gerard Houllier couldn't motivate Mike Tyson yet he's doing really well at Lyon.
People like to use "out of his depth" as an excuse for everything regarding Kerr. Out of his depth means he'd find it hard to handle a few primadonna's an things like that, it doesn't mean his brain decides to go and make some crazy tactical decisions that he wouldn't have made on his way to winning European titles at underage level and league titles with Pats.
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Originally Posted by eirebhoy
EB in fairness it seems Kerr could have made every single decision a bad one and you would still back him up....and I don't reckon kerr will ever get a chance to prove himself (not in the way he or yourself might want) and that I reckon is a shame. He deserve's a second chance but no way with Ireland. The ''out of his depth'' stuff i'm not sure about.....at any rate of course it was always gonna be mentioned because of his background..thats the kind of stuff ye just have to put up with untill ye prove that your not ''out of depth''. Kerr I'm sorry to say did not prove himself and this kind of show if it is done in the way I think it will be done ie ''Final Words..........on how everyone else is to blame but me'' will not further Kerr chance of being a sucessful manager again at any level....
and Houllier inherited that Lyon team and he'ill mess it up in time.....Won't be French Champions next year I reckon...
Because he's an excellent manager. I have no reason to be biased. I don't usually make statements like that without using phrases like "in my opinion" after it but I'm certain he'll prove a success.Quote:
Originally Posted by onenilgameover
what level will he have to drop to in order to get back into the game, do you reckon EB ?Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
That'd be around 1982 then I suppose, give or take a year or two? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
"Holiday" was the first one I remember.
Sorry, am in pedantic mode today.
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Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Fair enough if that's your opinion but he was anything but excellent with Ireland. I can't see how your opinion hasn't changed looking back on it....
EB its time you took of your rose-tinted St Pats Glasses and accept facts that Kerr was a deperately poor international manager ( for chrissakes Gary Doherty bailed him out twice) at best he can hope for is a Job with a League one side or assisstant coach at Championship side, but a premiership manager - Ur having a Laff!!
I deserved that, silly mistake. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I had very little interest in the Eircom league a few years ago. I posted on another forum saying I'm going to take a bit more of an interest in our domestic league. I felt it would be easier if I took a team up to start following and since Pats are the closest team to me I took my nephew with me to Richmond Park a few times since then. By no means would I call myself a Pats fan and I certainly wasn't when Kerr was in charge so there's no rose tinted glasses on me. my interest in Pats is usually a lot bigger at the start of the season than it is at the end. :) Maybe in a few years I can call myself a fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reality Bites
I just hope this site is still up when Kerr proves himself at the top. :)
So that explains the plastic pats thing ;;;; very good.Quote:
Maybe in a few years I can call myself a fan.
Almost any bog standard manager could have brought the team down to this level and over the course of 18 competitive games could pull out of the hat the odd golden 20 minutes from here and there. It was the most uninspired, unmemorable first 3 years of any manager since.... ... Mick Meagan?Quote:
He made his mistakes but he had us playing some quality football a lot of the time.
We will find out more when the next manager has his chance with the team. I hope Kerr can get another profile job and do well with it.
It was no worse than McCarthy's start. I'm not going to debate this again as I've done so before. Do a search. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Well they just lost 3-1 against Lille at home. The beginning of the end?Quote:
Originally Posted by totalfootball
I fully expect them to win the league but they wont hang onto their 12 point lead - less than 5 I would say. He'll eventually destroy them.
Here is the promotion for the show, I 'll have my handkerchief close by.
Brian Kerr's World Cup Story
A retrospective documentary featuring Brian Kerr in which he discusses the drama of the world cup qualifiers, his dealings with the FAI and the heartbreak of losing his dream job.
The critically acclaimed retrospective series looks back on the World Cup Qualifiers. RTÉ Sport went to great lengths to capture the ups and downs of the teams' journey by filming every game from Paris to Tel Aviv. In-depth interviews with Brian Kerr and several journalists help to paint the picture of this eventful World Cup campaign, and the drama that surrounded it.
Filmed over 18 months, giving an insight into the pressures of one of Irelands most high profile jobs, the documentary will be broadcast on RTÉ One - Tuesday December 20th at 22.15.
C'mon. He's not a villain that tried to kill all our players. He tried his best and his best was not good enough.
Lets just watch the documentary and see what he has to say.
exactly , i dont agree with the people who say "he was out of his depth" what exactly is "his depth" is it any deeper than micks?
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Originally Posted by totalfootball
thats alright for now and fair point...but eventually his managership will effect the players and bring the team down. Honeymoon period at the mo imho...
It says in today's star newpaper that Kerr blames the players for not qualifying. He says they were not good enough and accepts no responsibility for letting go of a 2 nil lead at home to Israel. While I wouldn't believe eveything I read in the papers, I've really grown to dislike Kerr. He never accepts that he made mistakes and puts forth the view that he's more tactically proficient than everyone else. While he might have lots of fans on this forum claiming that he deserved a chance as much as McCarthy, I don't buy that one. The performances were just so lacking in passion and commitment, something we couldn't accuse McCarthy's team of. I watched the video of the home game against France recently. The team was afraid. We barely threatened the French goal during the game. We played for a draw and it backfired.
Against the Swiss, Kerr (the tactical genius) dropped Graham Kavanagh. He played John O'Shea instead, a player who played well in that position against Burnley in the Carling Cup a couple of seasons ago.:rolleyes: O'Shea got his first meaningful touch of the ball after 27 minutes of the Swiss game. Even in the remaining minutes of the game, I saw Gary Doherty warming up and thought surely Kerr will go for it. Surely he'll take off Stephen Carr and play Doherty alongside Morrison and Elliott. No, Kerr decided to finish the Swiss game with 6 defenders on the field. For me, that epitomised the negativity of Kerr. Compare that to Mick McCarthy's first campaign which he finished with an away game in Belgium 8 years ago. McCarthy's team went out 3-2 on aggregate (a dubious goal cost them), but at least they went for it.
That squad of McCarthy's was a collection of veterans and kids, and he certainly did not have the options that Kerr had. It was that passionate performance that probably won McCarthy a new contract. The players were simply not willing to stand up for Kerr in the same way. He was unable to inspire them. When Roy Keane returned to the Irish squad and belittled the McCarthy era in a press conference, Kerr sat beside him sniggering. I just wonder did the players (many who are still loyal to McCarthy) resent Kerr's behaviour. The irony of it all is that the laugh is now on Kerr. He's going to be a bitter old man and he'll be in good company with the likes of Liam Tuohy and Eoin Hand.
One thing is for sure, my opinions will not be altered by his propaganda coup with RTE next Tuesday night.
Neither do I.Quote:
i dont agree with the people who say "he was out of his depth"
I don't consider Kerr was out of his depth. Possibly a lack of connection between himself and the team, possibly too cautious, possibly has not got the motivation skills that work with the players, possibly a combination of too many players off form, injured, suspended at wrong time or not enough feckin pride. Its possible that he could have come good but imo very little evidence except for that welcome tightness from time to time and the away points. After18 competitive games it is enough.
I do not take into consideration the personal "hurt he feels at losing his dream job" compared to the mountain of hurt that followed the wimpish end to our non qualification campaign.
Well said sir!Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Imo you should leave that one open. He never out and out blamed the players and if he goes and says in Tuesday's interview that he's to blame then surely you have to change your opinion a little. I wouldn't read an article like that in the Star. I'd probably look out for the quotes if I was flicking through in the shop (then again, they're probably twisted) so whatever way RTE might present the documentary, its what Kerr says that interests me.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.
It was those two decisions that lost BK credibility, even among his most ardent fans. We had to go for that game and BK's responsibility as manager was to play a team that 'went for it'. He didnt, and the rest is history. Nothing to do with the players, the FAI or the media, it was the manager's call and he blew it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.
I don't understand where you are you are coming from with the 'bitter men' references to Hand and Tuohy.Quote:
He's going to be a bitter old man and he'll be in good company with the likes of Liam Tuohy and Eoin Hand.
with Tuohy
http://www.nufc.com/html/liam-tuohy.html
Eoin Hand does admit to being bitter over one person with the name Dunphy, because of the persistent personal attacks that were against him by Dunphy in his column. Which in no small way contributed to Eoin being spat upon in the street and his children being bullied at school.
Brian Kerr has already entered into the annals of Irish football history before his stint as senior manager, that remains unrevised and if he stands beside Tuohy and Hand then its an honor.
I saw the hedline in the indo claiming kerr said the players were not good enough but it wasnt really backed up by the article. it was more him making the point that he pretended that missing keane and duff wasnt a big blow at the time when it was. I think the programme is a documentery on Irelands qualifying. It was probably conceived with the hope we would qualify. so I dont think it is kerr tryin to do a repeat of his late late show appearance. even the supposedly hard hitting quotes on the fai are pretty tame. When I heard about it I thought it would be some sort of everyone else was wrong but me plea but nothing I have read really backs that up. Will watch it anyway and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I like kavanagh but he had a mare against cyprus so I wouldnt have picked him. As for playing john o shea in midfield for such a big game...that was a strange one alrite....but I didnt think he had a really bad game or anything. probably just did it to keep him away from the defence:) and not wanting to gt into a big row again with the prime minister but i dont remember ireland bein that great against belgium at all....and do you not remember ireland away to croatia?? you couldnt have gotten more negative than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
That is ridiculous tbh. As Brian O'Driscoll said "there's only one newspaper I'd read in this country". I think everyone could think what that one is.Quote:
Originally Posted by klein4
Kerr said a while back that all we see of the players is their performances on the pitch. He said he see's them close up every day in training and that plays a big part in his team selection. It probably plays too big a part tbh.
Le Monde?????Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Reminder - it's on tonight.
I anticipate that the FAI will be to blame for us conceding the 2 goals against Israel and not qualifying :eek:
Whatever way it pans out, it will bring back the pain of the non-qualification. I remember they did a similar one on Mick that night we lost the play-off in Brussels and Mick cried his eyes out. It was sad stuff :( .
I was nearly crying watching the feckin add for it.
How can you blame people for not being good enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.
Ah now. Switzerland home and away (x 2)? France home? Israel? Georgia? In fact, any non-friendly game?Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Ireland played their best football of the last 20 years under McCarthy. Kerr was nowhere near that quality, unfortunately.
We really couldn't have done much better against France at home tbf. We played better in that match than we did at home to Holland 4 years ago. Macedonia x2, Iceland, Lithuania, Romania, Belgium, Turkey. None of them had us sitting comfortable in our chairs. We finished 10 points off Romania from a group filled with minnows and players like Irwin, Cunningham, Staunton, Keane, Houghton and Townsend. Ian Harte was playing well at the time as was Mark Kennedy and Gary Kelly.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
So who did we play well against in McCarty's first 2 campaigns? Liechtenstein, Macedonia (h), Croatia (h), Malta (h). Any more?
Kerr is getting way too much critisism when his time in charge was no worse than McCarthy's first 2 campaigns.
It was our performances in friendlies and when we weren't trying to protect a lead that I liked under Kerr. When we were trying to protect a lead we were usually poor but I would have gave him one more shot. The fact that we could protect leads in friendlies leads me to believe it was a psychological reason that we kept retreating back after scoring in competitives.
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Originally Posted by pineapple stu
While I agree normally with Eirebhoy I have to disagree about Kerr having us playing some lovely stuff. We played well in France, average at home to Cyprus and that was about it IMO.
What is the definition of "best football" ? To me as a supporter the "best football" is when my team wins. I would much prefer to follow a team that wins rather than one that plays pretty football and loses. If the team wins in style that's a bonus. Jack's Ireland was not pretty to watch but I enjoyed almost every minute of it and we also played what the theorists would describe as good football on the odd occasion (e.g. Soviet Union 1-1 in Hannover and Norn Iron 3-0 at home).
Give me an Ireland team winning and qualifying with the long ball game than an Irish team failing to qualify by the passing game. Heresy for some perhaps but who remembers the losers ?
Very unfair on Eoin Hand paticularly when you consider those incredible refeering decisions that went against us paticularly in Belgium.Incidentally
has anybody seen highlights of that game in recent years?Is it as bad as I remember.
Roy Keane does it all the time. It's what makes him a LEGEND, apparently!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
To be fair I dont think Keane ever gives out to people for lack of talen its lack of effort that seems to really rub him up the wrong way.