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F1 is back at the wkd and the best season in a long time is on the cards, for the first time in a few years, Ferrari are not the team to be beat.
From testing it looks like Renault and Mclaren are gonna be the frontrunners at the start anyway. Its a pity Jordan is effectively gone, F1 will not be the same without them but this season could be something special and perhaps the beginning of the end of the Schumacher era
Don't count your chickens. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by elroy
It should be an interesting start, Ferrari's delay on their new car could be more important this year than last with the rule changes, the tyres especially. Having said that, i'd be surprised if they weren't at least challanging at the start. Renault and McLaren may well pull out a lead in the first few races but I'd be surprised if Ferrair's new car doesn't prove to be a significant step forward.
Hopefully it'll be more competitive than recent years and Fisichella especially will have a chance at a few wins.
mcclaren are favourites to win the constructors this year.so maybe we might get a much needed change this year
there are a lot of rule changes this year including the qualification and tyres(one set for the whole weekend i believe)
I think Schumacher may still win it out, but Kimi will push him all the way. Not convinced about Montoya, hes not very consistent, glad mclaren have got rid of Coulthard-at least they have 2 competitive runners now.
I fancy Fisichella to have a good season too, if the Renault car is as good as everyone is making out then he should notch up a good few wins.
The most qualifying system is prob the most disappointing aspect, the sooner the revert to the 12 laps in an hour system the better
f1 isnt a sport! :D
Agreed, Mosely has a bee in his bonnet about qualifying with race fuel but it leads to $hit qualifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
To make F1 more interesting I would suggest:Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
- award points for qualification, one for the slowest, two for the second slowest etc... up to 22 (or however many cars there are) for the fastest.
- line cars up on the grid with the slowest at the front and the fastest on the back row
- race points would be awarded according to the order they finished... 22 for first, 21 for second.. down to 1 for last (assuming they all finish) - no finish no race points
This would give the possibility of maximum points of 44 per race. The best cars/drivers would have a points incentive for qualifying fastest, even though they would line up at back of grid.
Guaranteed loads of overtaking and real race driving rather than the blocking that goes on from the first bend these days making it the most boring sport on earth.
F1 was at its best back around 97, it wasnt broke but the FIA decided to fix it.
Bring back the old style qualifying, that was great for tv, super to watch and you didnt know who had pole till the very last sec.
I honestly believe F1 will come alive again this year, its the closest the teams have being in a long time and thats what makes the sport exciting-competition.
Whether the new rules will have any effect im not sure, the changes to pit stops and engine rules will def have an impact, not too sure if for better or worse though-have to wait and see.
When will he win it?
Maybe Italy, in Ferrari country in September. Schumi is so far ahead of everyone else, it doesn't matter if they have cars that are as good or better than his, he'll still bore everyone to tears, by coasting to another title. He is invincible, and his car is bulletproof, it hasn't broken down for 3.5 years.
Pre-season testing can be deceptive, different teams test on different days, on different circuits, in different weather conditions. I hope not, but I expect Schumacher to run rings around the opposition again this season, starting in Melbourne on Saturday night. Another walkover season for him and Ferrari is on the cards once again.
Well first impressions from fri practice look very good, mclaren on top, williams close behind, Renault and Sauber looking strong too. First time in 4 years a ferrari hasnt topped friday practice in melbourne-its looking good!
One of the best suggestions I heard that would make the sport interesting and ensure the best win (but which is never going to happen). Each driver drives two races for every team - making sure the best driver and the best team wins...regardless of budgets, the team you are with etc...
Wouldnt work because some circuits suit some drivers and others dont so it still wouldnt be a level playing field
Explain why some circuits do/dont suit certain drivers? An example?Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Schumacher qualified 18th in the 1st session, the last of those who completed their laps, in changeable weather. He probably would have been quickest if he had gone out to do his lap, 5 minutes earlier. At the beginning of the session, it was wet, then dried out for a while, before tipping down again for the last 20 minutes. However, some things never change. Italians finished 1st and 2nd.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Because of the weather in the 1st session, tonight's 2nd session may not see many changes in the qualifying positions. So Schumacher may have to start at the back of the field. You never know, we may be able to watch a decent race, for a change. :)
Regardless of the weather-hit qualifying, I think 2005 will be a lot better than last season...but then that would not be hard!
The Italian anthem was played again on the podium, but not for Ferrari this time, as Fisichella won the race comfortably from Barrichello. Schumacher was one of only 3 cars to retire, after crashing into Heidfeld. The start of things to come? Maybe, maybe not. A race weekend of dry conditions soon, will give us a better indication of how things will go this year.
As far as I remember reading Ferrari will not unleash their new car until about 5 races in. They actually said teams will have a chance to get a head start on them. So they may look better in about a month or two.
Boring race.
Very weird seeing car come into the pitstip surrounded by 15+ mechanics & only 2 needed to add the fuel.
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Good result, Ferrari do not have the strongest car of that there is no doubt, was surprised at how little impact Schumacher made from the back. But have to agree, a fairly boring race, not too sure the new regs of no change of tyres is gonna do a whole lot for the entertainment.
Although ironically i think the fact the grid was all over the place because of the weather meant there wasnt a great fight for the win, hopefully in future races, there should be good battles between ferrari, renault and mclaren.
Overall a refreshing change but still a bit lack entertainment wise.
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Originally Posted by Superhoops
Example last year Trulli won Monaco because power is not such a factor there and their car had great traction and launch control.
Other races where speed is needed-barcelona, ferrari were streets ahead of anyone
Didn't watch it live or the repeat yesterday afternoon. Nothing to do with the season last year, I'm just getting fooked off by the constant messing with the rules, be that race or qualifying. Best driver/car/team should win Formula One, as it always has been - all this messing just reduces the appeal to me.
btw When ferrari get sorted and start winning again, what are they going to change next?
Ya agree with you totally, they had a perfect formula(excuse the pun) back in 95/96/97 but changed it. Changes things again recently the main reason is to improve safety and reduce speeds. Also cost is a major factor as well especially with tobacco sponsorship gone.
i genuinely think this could be a special year although im not convinced of the format especially qualifying, will be a few races in before will be able to determine if the changes are for the better or not
The race was crap, waste of time getting up for it. :mad: The mixed up grid handed it to Fischella as no one who could have challanged him was anywhere near the front.
Schumacher was very quiet, I would have thought that he could at least have got past Sato but I reckon a lot of that difficulty was down to the new tyre regs. I don't think there was more than one or two passes in the whole race other than on Jordans and Minardis. With less grip from tyres, the aerodynamic effect of being behind a car means that a car has even less grip when trying to pass than before.
Coulthard has always done well in Australia, won it twice I think and usually more competitive there than elsewhere. As for why, my guess is the low grip levels due to it not being a permanent race track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
Schumi, agree with ya the race was a bit of disappointment especially at 5 in the morn although the result was refreshing. Do you think the race wouldve being better if it had being a normal qualifying with the fast cars up with fisi. Was surprised at how little impact schumacher made, if he ends up gettin beat alot this year hes not gonna like it, could see that with his move on heidfeld.
I wouldnt judge just yet, but i think it will be a much more competitive year but not too sure will we get much more overtaking. The impact of pitstops is much less now, somethin schumacher was a master at, putting in some hot laps before and after-little scope for that now.
Definitely, delighted for Fisi; especially after his first win was spoiled for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
It would have been closer but I still don't think there would've been any passing, just look at how long it took Alonso (?) to pass Villeneuve and how quickly he pulled away after. There might have been some excitement around the pit stops though.Quote:
Do you think the race wouldve being better if it had being a normal qualifying with the fast cars up with fisi.
Not sure if that's definitely going to be the case. They still have to stop for fuel (probably twice going by the first race) so there's still plenty of scope for gaining time when the guy in front of you stops.Quote:
impact of pitstops is much less now, somethin schumacher was a master at, putting in some hot laps before and after-little scope for that now.
F1 should stop tingering with the rules. They keep changing to ensure they slow cars but all it means is that cars can't grip the track or slipstream so much harder to overtake.
They'd be better off inventing a climate control device, could roll the dice & change weather at will ;) :D
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Originally Posted by Macy
Likewise. It's crap that they've changed the rules like they have :mad: Now it appears that the best team/driver may not win the championship which in my opinion is crap!
Expect normal service to be resumed in the race in KL this weekend. In Australia, the weather conditions in qualifying allowed someone else to win. However, in Malaysia, the weather is expected to stay dry through the whole weekend, so Schumacher should have no problem strolling to yet another boring victory.
zzzzzzzzz............. :(
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Originally Posted by mypost
I would love for one race a year or maybe every race that everyone had the same car,fuel tyres etc etc. Just to see what the outcome would be.
I know it will never happen :(
Yes and i think you are right normal service will resume this weekend.
Well, as it turned out, Ferrari had a disastrous race, not that many people will have had much sympathy. Alonso won to complete back-to-back Renault victories. Will Renault walk Bahrain too? F1 may become interesting again if we continue to see different winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
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Originally Posted by mypost
Look at my very first post in this topic, schumi is not gonna be the force he was the last few years. Renault and McLaren(give them another race or 2) have the best cars, how good the new ferrari is going to be is hard to say but they will def close the gap but i dont think they expected to be this far behind.
Still dont like the qualifying system, malaysia was a better race than Aust so hopefully this season will be a cracker, its def shaping it to be.
Does anyone think that the new tyre rules are discouraging overtaking by making drivers too cautious of their tyres because they have to last for the whole race?
Def seemed to be the case in Aus, but didnt think as much in KL, the more races the less this will be a factor as they become more accustomed to it. I think it adds a much needed driver skill element.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
really wish they'd change the qualifying format, its just no good for tv, bring back the 12 lap one hour session and every driver has to go out at least every 15 mins or they lose the lap.
Overall i think this season is shapin up very nicely, although the tactical element has being reduced alot with one set of tyres per race rule-i think ferrari are def feeling this the most.
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Originally Posted by mypost
Different winners maybe, but still the same manner of victory for the leader, which is what the problem was last year. I don't think many people who have any objection to Michael Schumacher winning every race if he were made fight every inch for it and over take cars with some skill, rather than pit stops.
It is not the drivers that are making the sport boring, the variety of tyre choices, fuel loads, engine specs and aerodynamic advantages among other things mean that there is always at least one car that is well ahead of the others. But if every driver had the exact same car, with the exact same fuel on board at least their skill would come to the fore.
I love the racing, not seeing engines compete for the highest speed on the straight.
niamh the sport of f1 is not just about the one man behind the wheel, its a team game. f1 teams are made up of anywhere between 50 and 250 members (depending on budget) who all play a part in the final outcome of the race.Quote:
Originally Posted by niamh
ur suggestion to have all the cars the same would b akin to having only one player per football team. it's a team game so why limit the team to one player?
the reason ferrari have been so sucessful in recent years is that they have done similar to chelsea and paid for the best. the combination of schumacher, brawn and byrne is comparable to an all time world soccer XI.
people seem to have short memories on the ferrari dominance of f1 in recent years. yes ferrari have won the last 6 constructors titles but before that it had been 15 seasons since there last title.
people also seem to forget the williams dominance of f1 during the 1990's winnin 5 out of the 6 championships between 92 and 97. or mclaren winning 6 ot of 8 between 84 and 91.
when schumacher took the huge gamble to leave bennetton in 95 and move to ferrari most people laughed at him. ferrari had won 2 races in the previous 5 years. with the help and support of todt, byrne, brawn, and di montezemelo they have built the team to what it is today. f1 is a team effort and all drivers with the same cars would defeat the purpose of the sport.
True, but with a big difference. The difference when Williams and McLaren won, was that different drivers won in different years. Prost, and Senna had some great battles to win the world title, and 4 drivers won the World Championship with Williams in the 90's. However, with Ferrari, only one driver is allowed to win, and people don't want to watch that. It's great for his fans only, but for neutrals like myself, it's extremely boring to watch, knowing that the same man will win all the time, regardless of whatever obstacles are put in front of him. The rules were drastically changed in 2003, but the same man won. During his successes, teams have folded, strategies have been altered, funding has been cut, testing days have been cut, rules have been changed, but he still wins, so neutrals switch the tv off.Quote:
Originally Posted by $Leon$
Williams won the title in 1996. They won 12 of the 16 races, won the constructors title in Hungary, but you knew that their drivers would battle it out every lap to the flag, and the drivers' title went to the last race. Nowadays, only one driver can win, because he is so far ahead of everyone else, that nobody is interested anymore. Despite their blip this season, I think it's inevitable that MS will soon cruise towards the title once again. :(
But surely this is a testament to just how good Schuey is?Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Theres no point in whinging about him, the entire sport ahs been changed to try to stop him winning, yet he still comes out on top. Nuetrals are not switching off because Schuey is so good, they are switching off because nobody else has been able to mount a serious challenge to him. This year will be different though, because for the first time in his career, Fisicella has a really competitive car and, along with Alonso, will push for the title.
Raikkonen and just maybe Webber, are the only other decent drivers out there. Montoya is a w*nker of the highest order, Button is a whinger and the rest are dross.
I'd agree broadly but I think Trulli is underrated. He has a reputation as a good qualifier and bad racer but he was excellent in Malaysia.
Another good race without being hugely spectacular, nice to see schumacher back towards the front end. When ferrari get the new car together (the 3 week break will suit them) we will have one hell of a championship. Disappointed to see fisi drop out, i have a feeling he may not cope too well with pressure of being alonsos team mate, especially now Alonso has got off to a great start.
Best race in a while. De La Rosa and Webber at the end was great but it's a pity that there has to be such a big pace difference between cars to have any chance of a pass.