Mayo League division 2009

Well lads any idea of the leagues for next year. Are the reserve teams going to be put into one division etc:ball:

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Originally Posted by walshek

Well lads any idea of the leagues for next year. Are the reserve teams going to be put into one division etc:ball:

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will you relax and let the year 2008 finish first! :D

I heard from someone in Manulla that the league are proposing that if a B team finishs in the top two places in the premier there will be no promotion for the teams below them. Seems very anti football and looks like a measure to protect the super league teams. If this is true that means nothing will be done about the B teams which is a shame.

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Originally Posted by rava

I heard from someone in Manulla that the league are proposing that if a B team finishs in the top two places in the premier there will be no promotion for the teams below them. Seems very anti football and looks like a measure to protect the super league teams. If this is true that means nothing will be done about the B teams which is a shame.

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So if Celtic B finish first and Westport B finish second then we stay in the super league...even if we finish last with no points! Doesn't sound plausable...

Only saying what I was told. This guy would know what he was talking about. Stranger things have been proposed by the league. What B team would be the first to be relegated if they were to tackle the problem of players playing with both teams.

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Originally Posted by rava

Only saying what I was told. This guy would know what he was talking about. Stranger things have been proposed by the league. What B team would be the first to be relegated if they were to tackle the problem of players playing with both teams.

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From what i've seen, Westport dont play any of their first choice 13 or 14 players in their B team at all so they would be ok. Celtic are pretty strong but tend to play their fringe first teamers in the B team. Dont know about Manulla, but i'd say they would be most likely drop down out of the 3 B teams...

if Celtic are successful in there application to join the A championship, will that mean the B team will take the place of to the A team in the super and the C team the place of the B team in the premier division ??

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Originally Posted by the grape vine

if Celtic are successful in there application to join the A championship, will that mean the B team will take the place of to the A team in the super and the C team the place of the B team in the premier division ??

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I don't think it would be a case of the B team taking the A teams place and so on with B and C teams.

Depending on numbers signing for the club at the start of the season they would have a couple of options;

• Disband the C team. All C players sign B next season and all B players sign A.
• Sign Outside players for the A championship and blend these with the best of the current A team. The remaining A players along with the stronger B team players form next years super league team. Next years B team is formed from remaining B team and strong C players. Numbers signing would depend on a whither a C team would be viable.

Either way I see it as a positive move by the club, and a credit to all working behind the scenes trying to make it happen.

Manulla and Erris b teams rely on their a team squads to much. Celtic were never offenders until last season when they had no choice. Westport seem to have seperate squads. Surely they cant be even entertaining no promotion for teams finishing behind b teams.

this is going to be very hard to handle in leagues. But if you go back to the root caus and put in panel for A teams and uphold the rule. I know in the league there is alot of A players playing B and even C teams.

if one team got fined or even points docked then it would be upheld. If all the first 16 A players was put online at the start of the year all clubs could print it off and cross check. this would also have a knock on affect on team starting out. at least the playing field would be level:eek:

Whats to stop teams playing 4 or 5 glorified friendlies at the start of the season before the proposed new start date of the super league fixtures.

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Originally Posted by walshek

this is going to be very hard to handle in leagues. But if you go back to the root caus and put in panel for A teams and uphold the rule. I know in the league there is alot of A players playing B and even C teams.

if one team got fined or even points docked then it would be upheld. If all the first 16 A players was put online at the start of the year all clubs could print it off and cross check. this would also have a knock on affect on team starting out. at least the playing field would be level:eek:

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If your big enough to have 2 or even 3 teams then you deserve the advantage of being able to play A players for B and C teams. You cant make a definite rule on it because it would be unfair. Say if an A player was injured and needed games to get fitness back, it would be unfair if he wasn't allowed to play B or C until he was fit for A again!

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Originally Posted by GoodFootball

If your big enough to have 2 or even 3 teams then you deserve the advantage of being able to play A players for B and C teams. You cant make a definite rule on it because it would be unfair. Say if an A player was injured and needed games to get fitness back, it would be unfair if he wasn't allowed to play B or C until he was fit for A again!

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thats all good and well in an ideal world but far too many of the teams with second/third teams are abusing the system,playing 'better' players when a team is either in relegation trouble or pushing for a promotion spot.
as rava has said a lot of teams could well play a few 'glorified friendlies' before the commencement of the super league,leaving their second team without the fear of relegation,getting some match prectice in for good measure.

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Originally Posted by Cloggs

thats all good and well in an ideal world but far too many of the teams with second/third teams are abusing the system,playing 'better' players when a team is either in relegation trouble or pushing for a promotion spot.
as rava has said a lot of teams could well play a few 'glorified friendlies' before the commencement of the super league,leaving their second team without the fear of relegation,getting some match prectice in for good measure.

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does anyone else think that with the proposed fixtures with superleague playing every sat night and lower leagues on sundays that it is an ideal opportunity for teams with b and c teams to use their players in these games aswell, if they have an important game

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Originally Posted by Cloggs

thats all good and well in an ideal world but far too many of the teams with second/third teams are abusing the system,playing 'better' players when a team is either in relegation trouble or pushing for a promotion spot.
as rava has said a lot of teams could well play a few 'glorified friendlies' before the commencement of the super league,leaving their second team without the fear of relegation,getting some match prectice in for good measure.

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Lads, who are ye on about? Name and shame these teams "abusing" the system. If there was any illegal player playing on any team in the league, the ML would be on them like a ton of bricks. I challenge you to name one instance where a player played for a team he was not eligible to play for last season in any club.:ball:

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Originally Posted by hardcore

Lads, who are ye on about? Name and shame these teams "abusing" the system. If there was any illegal player playing on any team in the league, the ML would be on them like a ton of bricks. I challenge you to name one instance where a player played for a team he was not eligible to play for last season in any club.:ball:

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were not on about any team breaking the rules or fielding illegal players, its the rules that are wrong where too many players are signed as b team players and are first team players, then this allows them to move up or down

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Originally Posted by r.rover

were not on about any team breaking the rules or fielding illegal players, its the rules that are wrong where too many players are signed as b team players and are first team players, then this allows them to move up or down

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I thought that the idea of a "B" team was to allow players to progress to a clubs first team, or to provide football for a guy who cant get into the first team. you cant blame any club for putting the best team it can out on a pitch on any given day. Any club will do it, and its up to the other clubs to get to the stage that they have the same "problem".:ball:

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Originally Posted by hardcore

Lads, who are ye on about? Name and shame these teams "abusing" the system. If there was any illegal player playing on any team in the league, the ML would be on them like a ton of bricks. I challenge you to name one instance where a player played for a team he was not eligible to play for last season in any club.:ball:

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I know for a FACT that a team involved in a league playoff this year had a lad from the Sligo league playing for them while he was signed for a Sligo team..I hope i lived up to your challenge :):)

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Originally Posted by hardcore

I thought that the idea of a "B" team was to allow players to progress to a clubs first team, or to provide football for a guy who cant get into the first team. you cant blame any club for putting the best team it can out on a pitch on any given day. Any club will do it, and its up to the other clubs to get to the stage that they have the same "problem".

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So you are all for clubs playing the same players for their A & B teams:o
Mayo league would love you, they could just continue on as before. Inver brought up a frightening case a couple of years ago when they played a super league teams b team, their manager had watched this teams A team play Erris the night before and 7 of the players used started the match against them, 5 of which had started the game against Erris. So explain to me how this is right.

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Originally Posted by Bandit

I know for a FACT that a team involved in a league playoff this year had a lad from the Sligo league playing for them while he was signed for a Sligo team..I hope i lived up to your challenge :):)

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Not really! names? teams? Have you informed the Mayo league? initials even?:ball:

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Originally Posted by rava

So you are all for clubs playing the same players for their A & B teams:o
Mayo league would love you, they could just continue on as before. Inver brought up a frightening case a couple of years ago when they played a super league teams b team, their manager had watched this teams A team play Erris the night before and 7 of the players used started the match against them, 5 of which had started the game against Erris. So explain to me how this is right.

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Never said that. What i said was that a "b" was for 2 reasons.
The fact that a player played for two teams in his club in one weekend is to do with the clubs resources being stretched, injuries, or progression to the next team, etc... not a concious decision by a club to have 1 squad for all. That would be impossible if games were on the same time.

Fair point. But this is a reoccuring theme with some clubs as they use their A players for important games and at the end of the season to keep clear of relagation.

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Originally Posted by rava

Fair point. But this is a reoccuring theme with some clubs as they use their A players for important games and at the end of the season to keep clear of relagation.

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I cant remember a "B" team in relegation trouble this year.(i may be wrong!)

congrats to the mayo oscar traynor team that pulled off a great result against galway yesterday. a 1/4 final to look forward to which has never been done before.

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Originally Posted by hardcore

I cant remember a "B" team in relegation trouble this year.(i may be wrong!)

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Manulla were in danger of being involved in relegation at one stage but managed to pull out of trouble playing a few A players. One in particular played against us and got them a point single handedly...

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Originally Posted by theboy

congrats to the mayo oscar traynor team that pulled off a great result against galway yesterday. a 1/4 final to look forward to which has never been done before.

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I dont know where you got that information from. Didn't Mick Wallace reach the 1/4 Final only two years ago and didnt Fergie get to the semi final a few years back also.

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Originally Posted by hardcore

I thought that the idea of a "B" team was to allow players to progress to a clubs first team, or to provide football for a guy who cant get into the first team. you cant blame any club for putting the best team it can out on a pitch on any given day. Any club will do it, and its up to the other clubs to get to the stage that they have the same "problem".:ball:

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i think that you're missing the point being made by the lads here.the fact is that some teams are playing 'a' team players in some of their bigger games,be it for steering clear of relegation or for a promotion push.i'm all for a player trying to better himself by producing displays for the 'b' team and progressing to the first team.like you said isn't that what a 'b' team is for but the example that rava had displays an inherent fault in the system that needs to be eradicated

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Originally Posted by hardcore

I thought that the idea of a "B" team was to allow players to progress to a clubs first team, or to provide football for a guy who cant get into the first team. you cant blame any club for putting the best team it can out on a pitch on any given day. Any club will do it, and its up to the other clubs to get to the stage that they have the same "problem".:ball:

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Typical response. Divisions premier, 1st and 2nd is not there for the purpose of keeping Celtic, Westport, Snugboro etc as ''super' league contenders or to ensure that the county has a great supply of teams to the Junior Cup, Connacht Cup, etc.
Say I am a player suited to the standard of premier division through to divison 2. Good player but probably not good enough to hack it in the Super League. With the current system I can probably look forward to playing in the same division for most of my career. Not a nice prospect. Why can I not get out of the division? The system is designed to keep larger clubs with more players and their b and c teams playing at an artificially high level with clever usage of the rules and clever bending of the rules if only on a couple occassions in the year. Likewise training expertise and extra facilities already give them a start. Playing against higher opposition in traning and in training games also give them an artificial advantage.
If I wanted to be cruel I could say 'Why should these teams have more than one team playing in the league'. Why should players be able to play for 2 or more different teams in the same league? If they have more than one team they should have more than one club? If they want to keep big squads then let there be a reserve league. Keep the standard high at all levels of the league not just the top 5 or 6 teams.

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Originally Posted by sinabhuil

Typical response. Divisions premier, 1st and 2nd is not there for the purpose of keeping Celtic, Westport, Snugboro etc as ''super' league contenders or to ensure that the county has a great supply of teams to the Junior Cup, Connacht Cup, etc]
Dont know what your point is. Any team from any division can go as far as they want in any competition, if they keep winning.

[Say I am a player suited to the standard of premier division through to divison 2. Good player but probably not good enough to hack it in the Super League.]
What "standard" is that? Not a huge difference in most players across ML teams. Some bad players in the SL

[With the current system I can probably look forward to playing in the same division for most of my career.]
What "System" exists? Its the ML. They havent set up or planned anything.
[Not a nice prospect. Why can I not get out of the division? The system is designed to keep larger clubs with more players and their b and c teams playing at an artificially high level with clever usage of the rules and clever bending of the rules if only on a couple occassions in the year. Likewise training expertise and extra facilities already give them a start. Playing against higher opposition in traning and in training games also give them an artificial advantage.
If I wanted to be cruel I could say 'Why should these teams have more than one team playing in the league'. Why should players be able to play for 2 or more different teams in the same league? If they have more than one team they should have more than one club? If they want to keep big squads then let there be a reserve league. Keep the standard high at all levels of the league not just the top 5 or 6 teams.

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O jesus. What BS. So much wrong with the above, words fail me.

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Originally Posted by sinabhuil

Keep the standard high at all levels of the league not just the top 5 or 6 teams.

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Surely if the big guns are playing 'A' players in the lower leagues it would mean the standard would have to be improve down there. I also believe that the Wesports and Celtics are much more interested in winning major tiltles than fielding big guns in division 1 and 2 matches throughout the year.
The only time I see problem arising is at playoff time and the main culprit on that score spend half the year fielding teams with 9 and 10 players. if the opposition down there aren't able to take advantage of that during the season then they have no right to get promoted in the first place.

Oscar Traynor Draw

A Desmond v AUL
B Cork AUL/Limerick v Wexford
C Roscommon v TSDL/MSL/WWEC
D UCL v Mayo

Semi Final Draw

C v B
A v D

Ties to be played weekend of the 14th/15th of February 2009.

Ties ABC to be played weekend 17th/18th January if MSL qualify they will play same weekend, if TSDL qualify they will play weekend of the 23rd/24th of January.

Cork play Limerick and WWEC play MSL this weekend, the MSL will play the TSDL on either the 27th or 28th of December or 10th of January.

Please note the draw for the 6th Round of the Junior Cup will take place on Sunday the 4th of January 2009 on 2FM between 10 and 11.

Due to backlog in games the 6th Round will be played on the 31st of January and the 1st of February 2009.

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Originally Posted by the spinmaster

Surely if the big guns are playing 'A' players in the lower leagues it would mean the standard would have to be improve down there. I also believe that the Wesports and Celtics are much more interested in winning major tiltles than fielding big guns in division 1 and 2 matches throughout the year.
The only time I see problem arising is at playoff time and the main culprit on that score spend half the year fielding teams with 9 and 10 players. if the opposition down there aren't able to take advantage of that during the season then they have no right to get promoted in the first place.

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If the teams are not using the players then they should have no objection to the league bringing in tighter rules. See problem solved.

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Originally Posted by theboy

Oscar Traynor Draw

A Desmond v AUL
B Cork AUL/Limerick v Wexford
C Roscommon v TSDL/MSL/WWEC
D UCL v Mayo

Semi Final Draw

C v B
A v D

Ties to be played weekend of the 14th/15th of February 2009.

Ties ABC to be played weekend 17th/18th January if MSL qualify they will play same weekend, if TSDL qualify they will play weekend of the 23rd/24th of January.

Cork play Limerick and WWEC play MSL this weekend, the MSL will play the TSDL on either the 27th or 28th of December or 10th of January.

Please note the draw for the 6th Round of the Junior Cup will take place on Sunday the 4th of January 2009 on 2FM between 10 and 11.

Due to backlog in games the 6th Round will be played on the 31st of January and the 1st of February 2009.

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Tough draw for mayo away to UCL.

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Originally Posted by rava

If the teams are not using the players then they should have no objection to the league bringing in tighter rules. See problem solved.

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The biggest problem for me is the inconsistency of it. I've seen results this year that don't make any sense between teams at the top of division 2B and "B" and "C" teams. One week you play them and struggle to get a result or get beaten, then the next week your rivals beat them by 6 goals. I don't care if "A" players play with "B" teams as long as it is the same for all games over the course of the season and not only for selected matches.

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Originally Posted by NoelM

The biggest problem for me is the inconsistency of it. I've seen results this year that don't make any sense between teams at the top of division 2B and "B" and "C" teams. One week you play them and struggle to get a result or get beaten, then the next week your rivals beat them by 6 goals. I don't care if "A" players play with "B" teams as long as it is the same for all games over the course of the season and not only for selected matches.

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I'm not denying that some teams use A team players etc in B games. But the inconsistency comes from playing at that level in the first place. I saw a good few Boro B games this year. They'd beat a team one week, the next week with 9 or 10 the same players, couldn't string two passes together. There seemed to be a different 11 every week for the B team.

Snugboro B didn't regularly use A team players however there were exceptions. A couple of lads who didn't make the A 16 on a matchday, might of played if they were eligible. And a couple of players used it to test their fitness after injury.

On the flipside, there were a couple of lads who signed for the A team last year, didn't get many games and couldn't play for the B's. Do you think the system is fair to them?

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Originally Posted by joe_denilson

On the flipside, there were a couple of lads who signed for the A team last year, didn't get many games and couldn't play for the B's. Do you think the system is fair to them?

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It most certainly is not fair to them. Thats why the reintroduction of the five game rule may be the best option.

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Originally Posted by rava

It most certainly is not fair to them. Thats why the reintroduction of the five game rule may be the best option.

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That is hard to police, and doesnt take into account the timing of a players injury. I agree with joe denilson:ball:

What exactly are you agreeing with.

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Originally Posted by rava

What exactly are you agreeing with.

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:D
I guess he's agreeing that the inconsistency comes from the teams, not from playing A team players.

I have attended a lot of premier games in the last few seasons and the consistency of the b teams is largely influenced by players available. I wouldnt like to see a reserve division, I just dont see the point. But some restraints have to be put in place for the B teams as most teams involved in the league have called for.