Irish Abroad 2014/2015

Hull have done ok recently with some of the Irish restored to the team. We only have clusters of Irish at half decent clubs these days but in the last couple weeks the Hull, Everton and Stoke Irish have done well enough, as have others at Derby and other Championship clubs. Even Clark has shown spurts of form in a shambolic Villa team.

I think we could approach the Poland game with some confidence if only we could shake off the "we're crap because we're not brilliant" syndrome, which MON seems to be a proponent of.

Man City's Tom Holland is on trial at Sunderland, and played for their u18's today against Liverpool: http://www.safc.com/news/reserves-an...n-by-liverpool

Cody Mulhall released by Hibs: http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/5144

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Hibernian can also confirm that Development squad striker Cody Mulhall has now parted company with the club.
Everybody associated with Hibernian would like to thank Cody for his contribution and wish him all the best as he embarks on the next chapter in his career.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Cody Mulhall released by Hibs: http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/5144

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He played for Rovers last night v SK Brann, as did fellow Hibs releasee Gareth McCaffrey. McCaffrey might sign up, Mulhall wants to get back to the UK.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

He played for Rovers last night v SK Brann, as did fellow Hibs releasee Gareth McCaffrey. McCaffrey might sign up, Mulhall wants to get back to the UK.

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Seems a shame wasnt he near the first team when fenlon was there before he did cruciate. Does he look like he has recovered from the cruciate yet?

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Man City's Tom Holland is on trial at Sunderland, and played for their u18's today against Liverpool: http://www.safc.com/news/reserves-an...n-by-liverpool

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masterson made his league debut in the game got good reviews by liverppool fans http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/...c=204689.80480
"Great header by Wade Maxwell for the goal, some decent play around the back and for me the best of the players in red was the debutant (wasn't sure but the announcer said it after my earlier comment) Conor Masterson. Looked very good for his first game at this level, a bit like vintage Danny Agger strolling around the back. Looking forward to seeing more of him in the future to see if he can keep it up." "Masterson reminds me a lot of Benedikt Howedes during his time in the schalke reserve team and german youth teams"

Kevin Walker scored a cracking free kick in pre season for Djurgårdens IF against HJK Helsinki

Interview with U19 player Dessie Hutchinson: https://www.the-newshub.com/football...he-south-coast

So that's where Phil Babb was

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31627134

lenihan on bench for blackburn tonight. Missed the fact o sullivan had gone on loan to barnsley they have won the 4 games since he has been involved

Not a single goal scored by an Irish player after a full round of fixtures in all four divisions midweek. Has that happened before?

Daryl Murphy missed a penalty for Ipswich as their slide continues.

Brentford are proving surprisingly resilient though, in spite of their upheaval.

Quick trivia question to kick off the week - with Reece Grego Cox making his debut at the weekend, who was the last Irish player to make his debut in a premier league game?

Bonus question - who was the last Irish international to make his debut in a premier league game?

Hint: both players in question made their debuts for the same club

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Quick trivia question to kick off the week - with Reece Grego Cox making his debut at the weekend, who was the last Irish player to make his debut in a premier league game?

Bonus question - who was the last Irish international to make his debut in a premier league game?

Hint: both players in question made their debuts for the same club

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Michael Harriman???

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Originally Posted by Wangball

Michael Harriman???

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good guess, but no.
He made his debut in the league cup
To clarify, these players made their professional debuts in premier league games, not games involving then premier league clubs. Anthony Forde is another one, he made his debut for premier league club wolves, but in the league cup

Derrick Williams.

What do I win?

Matt Doherty made his PL debut against Liverpool and I think that was before Derrick Williams' debut.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

Derrick Williams.

What do I win?

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Yep, Williams is the last player to make his debut in a Premier League game, in December 2012. Before I started looking I had thought it was going to be Anthony Forde, or Samir Carruthers. Forde made his debut in the League Cup, and Carruthers made his debut in April 2012

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

Matt Doherty made his PL debut against Liverpool and I think that was before Derrick Williams' debut.

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Doherty made his professional debut in a League Cup game, so he didn't count

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Quick trivia question to kick off the week - with Reece Grego Cox making his debut at the weekend, who was the last Irish player to make his debut in a premier league game?

Bonus question - who was the last Irish international to make his debut in a premier league game?

Hint: both players in question made their debuts for the same club

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If Derrick Williams is the answer to part one, does that mean that Ciaran Clark would be the answer to the bonus question? Wow, that would mean it's been five years since an Irish international came straight through a Premier League club's youth system to play for the first team, without going out on loan to a lower league team - and Clark was technically still an England international at the time. That said, we do have a number of promising young players coming through Championship and League One teams. And with the success of Coleman, Meyler, McClean, Doyle etc, it's clear that young players can get experience in the League of Ireland and still realistically aspire to the play at the top level of football. So maybe this wait doesn't necessarily indicate that we need to be overly worried about players going straight into Premier League teams. Still, it would be nice if we were sitting here twelve months from now talking about the likes of Jack Byrne, Alex O'Hanlon and/or Daniel Cleary making a breakthrough.

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Originally Posted by samhaydenjr

If Derrick Williams is the answer to part one, does that mean that Ciaran Clark would be the answer to the bonus question? Wow, that would mean it's been five years since an Irish international came straight through a Premier League club's youth system to play for the first team, without going out on loan to a lower league team - and Clark was technically still an England international at the time. That said, we do have a number of promising young players coming through Championship and League One teams. And with the success of Coleman, Meyler, McClean, Doyle etc, it's clear that young players can get experience in the League of Ireland and still realistically aspire to the play at the top level of football. So maybe this wait doesn't necessarily indicate that we need to be overly worried about players going straight into Premier League teams. Still, it would be nice if we were sitting here twelve months from now talking about the likes of Jack Byrne, Alex O'Hanlon and/or Daniel Cleary making a breakthrough.

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Yep, well done, Clark was the answer to the bonus question! And also, yes it's pretty depressing that it's been that long since an Irish international came through the academy system in England.

Good day for Irish goals..

Long
E. Doyle
Hoolahan (p)
Arter
A. O'Brien
Wilkinson
Amond (p)
Cummins
Lawrence (2) (1 p)
Maguire
McCrory
Rooney

Patrick Hoban now 13 games without a goal for Oxford. Rory Gaffney and Gearoid Morrissey still not getting game time at Cambridge.

Gaffney is injured and likely out for the season. Morrissey has been struggling with injuries too.

Ireland Under-15 International signs for Inter Milan.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish...r-inter-milan/

Good to see but he has a long way to go yet before we start getting too excited.

We can start a thread for him if/when he makes his first team debut, same as with every other underage player
otherwise we'd be starting threads for every youth player who signs for a club outside the LOI

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

Good day for Irish goals..

Long
E. Doyle
Hoolahan (p)
Arter
A. O'Brien
Wilkinson
Amond (p)
Cummins
Lawrence (2) (1 p)
Maguire
McCrory
Rooney

Patrick Hoban now 13 games without a goal for Oxford. Rory Gaffney and Gearoid Morrissey still not getting game time at Cambridge.

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most goals in one day for Irish players this year, although joint third overall
14 goals scored on 16 September 2014
18 goals scored on 13 September 2014

Tets, feel free to move this. Can't see an existing thread and I presume he's at least half-Irish, so his eligibility shouldn't be a problem...

Ryan Patrick Nolan, County Clare teenager, signs for Inter Milan.

Sign him up MON etc...

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Tets, feel free to move this. Can't see an existing thread and I presume he's at least half-Irish, so his eligibility shouldn't be a problem...

Ryan Patrick Nolan, County Clare teenager, signs for Inter Milan.

Sign him up MON etc...

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moved, see above

'FAI to chase up Inter talent': http://www.herald.ie/sport/fai-to-ch...-31086545.html

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Originally Posted by Aidan Fitzmaurice

THE FAI are planning to explore the eligibility of teenage prospect Ryan Patrick Nolan who is off to try his luck in Italy after the youngster signed a deal with Inter Milan.

Nolan, who was brought up in Spain but has Irish parents, has until now been on the books of Spanish side Torre-Pacheco, but he has been tracked by bigger clubs and Inter, managed by Roberto Mancini (pictured), have lured him to Milan signing him on a three-year deal which was brokered by former Italy and Chelsea star Pierluigi Casiraghi. Nolan, 15, has never been capped, at any level, by the Republic but FAI scouts will this week follow up on the teenager and confirm his eligibility and his interest, if any, in playing for Ireland.

While Liam Brady and Robbie Keane obviously had spells in the first team at Inter, only a handful of Irish players have spent time in the academies of Italian clubs.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

'FAI to chase up Inter talent': http://www.herald.ie/sport/fai-to-ch...-31086545.html

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The Newstalk article above seems to state he's been in Spain with his parents the last 6 years- which means he was born and lived in Ireland until 9.

Doubt he's a very urgent case. Who does he qualify for? Spain? There are academies all over Spain producing players that are probably of similar (some of better) standards to Inter's.

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Originally Posted by Olé Olé

The Newstalk article above seems to state he's been in Spain with his parents the last 6 years- which means he was born and lived in Ireland until 9.

Doubt he's a very urgent case. Who does he qualify for? Spain? There are academies all over Spain producing players that are probably of similar (some of better) standards to Inter's.

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If Danny's inquiries are anything to go by, Nolan would only be eligible for Spain if FIFA made a specific ruling on him (which would probably go in his favour if he's been there since he was nine).

I assume Nolan (born in Ireland to two Ireland-born parents) is currently eligible for Ireland only, unless he has a grandparent or grandparents from somewhere other than Ireland.

In principle and in line with article 7 of the Regulations Governing the Application of the Statutes, he'd first have to acquire Spanish nationality to ever become eligible for Spain. Possibly he already is a Spanish citizen. If he sought to play for Spain before five years of residence there post the age of 18, as is required by article 7(d), he/the Spanish association would have to apply to the FIFA administration/Players Status Committee for an extra-legal exemption to be made so that the article 7(d) criterion be waived. Further info on this here: http://foot.ie/threads/147164-Eligib...=1#post1805274

Charlie is correct to say that the likelihood of an exemption being granted is high considering he's lived in Spain for over half a decade, although any exemption would be dependent on Nolan already being a Spanish citizen.

Irrespective of all of this, however, he'd remain eligible to play for Ireland under article 5 as Irish is his birth nationality.

Edit: Until he was (hypothetically) capped competitively at senior level by someone else, effected a switch between two other associations for whom he also might be eligible or effected a switch to another association after first having represented Ireland competitively at under-age level, of course.

I honestly don't know where to begin if someone who was born and bred in Ireland to Irish parents contemplates choosing Spain over Ireland.

Jack Harper was born and bred in Spain and there is no question of his allegiance to Scotland.

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Jack Harper was born and bred in Spain and there is no question of his allegiance to Scotland.

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His father says that if he is still overlooked at U21 level for Scotland that he will consider playing for Spain.

I remember a time when dads weren't this involved in players' international careers.

KICK DADS OUT OF FOOTBALL

Jeez, I hope Kwame Ampadu, Tony Scully and Mark Kinsella don't read this heresy!

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...-headline-882/

Doran abused on the street again. Shock. Horror.

Six Irish players in Four Four Two's list of top fifty English Football League stars: http://balls.ie/football/259152-four...-players-2015/

They are:

6) Daryl Murphy
19) Harry Arter
21) Keiren Westwood
34) Sean Scannell
36) Eoin Doyle
41) Paddy Madden

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/...ign-alan-dunn/

Alan Dunne linked with shock move to Celtic.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...boosts-5384301

85% of Scottish Daily Record readers think Adam Rooney deserves Ireland call up on the back of his Scottish League exploits. despite failing to score in a brothel while playing in League One and League Two.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/f...-slade-8965876

Eoin Doyle set for run in Cardiff team; Joe Mason set to return.

http://www.herald.ie/sport/noels-in-the-hunt-for-ipswich-return-31113322.html

Noel Hunt could return before the end of the season.

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Adam Rooney deserves Ireland call up ... despite failing to score in a brothel while playing in League One and League Two.

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He's no Wayne Rooney, that's for sure.

I had to check the rules on this topic but I think I'm safe ground - just couldn't put it in his own thread - Jack Grealish has made his first Premier League start against QPR and appeared to play quite well, according to the BBC text, before being replaced by Joe Cole on 70 minutes. Ciaran Clark also starts for Villa, with Shay Given on the bench. Reece Grego-Cox is on the subs' list for QPR but hasn't come on yet