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The links with Ireland have always been there, you chose to ignore them, that's your issue. Ireland is in the club and fans hearts. That was evident to see the weekend. I live in Glasgow by the way, so they are my local team now, but that's not the point :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dong
Quite right, I can't understand how Ricco can select Danny Ventre -- who can't get into Sligo Rovers. Surely there are more able 'utility players'. Sad reflection on either Ricco's selection and/or FAI politics. When you consider that Quigley -- a wonderful player was short-listed, it really says it all. This is merely a Dublin Bord Failtesque football tourism package, a beer-sodden nostaglic trip with a view to beating the Paddys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Straightstory
I guess there is one 'Irish' team who supports it? Didn't celtic make that up themselves? Obviously it's a case of 'we have thousands of silly irish people paying to watch celtic every week. Lets embrace this rubbish'Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Celtic are a PLC who milk the "Paddy factor" because there's millions in it.
Galway United would do the exact same, if we thought that even 200 people from Scotland would come to our home matches, we would promote ourselves as "Irelands Scottish club". Lets not beat about the bush here.
So your position, as some kind of patriot :rolleyes:, is that the fai should continue this, farce, and each year ireland should be represented by the only truly irish team - they are after all more irish than the national team.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
As they're so keen to give back to irish society I'm sure they'd be willing to accept the same fee the loi representitives got this year.
Or, maybe as they harbour such affection in their hearts for the motherland they should petition for entry to the loi, instead of the epl.
I wouldn't consider myself a Celtic supporter or even an "apologist", but Irish people generally having a soft spot for Celtic doesn't really bother me a huge deal. The club certainly exploit the Irish card for the obvious profit potential therein, but their cultural and social roots are undeniably Irish at the same time and I suppose it's something, along with their long-term affiliation with the Glaswegian Irish immigrant community, they haven't been ashamed to celebrate in the face of significant animosity from dominant Scottish unionist society over the last century and a bit. They could easily have played down that aspect of their identity to better blend into dominant Scottish society. I'd be somewhat apprehensive about referring to Celtic as a "British club", for example. Such a tag doesn't really seem congruous for whatever reason. I wouldn't call Derry City or even Donegal Celtic "British clubs" either, for example. Just so long as those in Ireland who support Celtic are aware that supporting them is not necessarily somehow "more Irish" or more patriotic than supporting a team in Ireland - I dunno how it ever could be - I'm not overly bothered with it. Celebrating goals against our national league team whilst simultaneously waving tricolours and "Erin go Bragh" flags just seems a bit odd or bipolar to me, but whatever gives people their kicks...
On the fund-raising point, League of Ireland clubs raise funds for and contribute to plenty of Irish causes as well, I'm sure. The most prominent in the last season or two would probably have been Bohs and Rovers doing the pink jersey scheme to raise money for the Irish Cancer Society's "Action Breast Cancer" campaign. Derry City have raised money for Children in Crossfire in the past. I'd be stunned if other clubs all over the country weren't regularly raising money for Irish causes when possible. Irish causes don't necessarily have to be overtly political or politically emotive - like the Irish Famine Memorial fund - but then, these will naturally be the ones that appeal to Celtic and its fans in Ireland for obvious reasons; supporting Celtic often being viewed, whether erroneously or not, as a limb or essential offshoot of Irish republican patriotism.
After the incidents last week and lack of respect shown to the LoI squad, I went right off the competition and barely kept an ear out on how it went. Hopefully this week there will be good results in Europe to reflect well on the league.
Not much of the irish rebel there thenQuote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Whats your opinion then on joining the EPL?
edit - as p Dunne says quite rightly - they just use it to milk the fans
Danny, you more or less have it. But the main reason that there is anomosity towards Celtic mostly stems from the forceful nature of their supporters of why they support them and just how Irish they are.
We are all aware of their Irish heritage and there's no denying that. But there's a sizeable amount of people out there, including myself, who get a pain in their craw watching things like the game yesterday.
I know TA gets a bit of a hard time on here but he's not the worst, at least he supports an Irish club and at least lives in Glasgow!
Seems like its the last Dublin Super Cup to be celebrated at the Lounge.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0802/playerslounge.html
Tied up the manager? As in Stokes' da? A hive of activity, certainly.
Yep. Seems like that. Used to actually enjoy watching the odd match there when I lived in Drumcondra.
There was an air that something like this may happen given the amount of cash that flowed through over this weekend.
Ya it was well thought out. A pity they didn't get their days wrong and did it with all the celtic fans in there.
I'm sure its related to all these other incidents that went before also.
Judging by the crowds there on Sat/Sun night, Players Lounge must have taken in a fortune over the weekend so no surprise it was a priime target for robbery. Usually heavy security there (3 on door on Sat night as I passed) so brave men that robbed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Not my type of spot, but at a time many pubs are having difficulty in surviving the PL is doing (or was doing) good business (even without the Queens shilling;))
A shameful comment, but not surprising on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
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Originally Posted by BonnieShels
It'll be back, don't you worry.
On another note I hear Liverpool and Celtic are likely for next year. Roll on the party next year and rebel do's all over Dublin again :D
Excellent news ! and given Liverpools historic links with Ireland perhaps first prize can be "Britians favorite Ireland team" award :oQuote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
As funny as a boot in the nuts :DQuote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Depends on who the recepient of said boot is
TA,
Do you find it tiresome that people on this forum dont give you the credibility you clearly feel you deserve?
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Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
I don't doubt that for a second.
Yippee!!!
Huge number of Irish people in Liverpool due to emigration over the decades and were one of the earliest recipients of our EPL lovers when people travelled over on the old "cattle boats" since the 1950's leading up to the current numbers that regularly (if misguidedly) travel over week in week out. Far more links with Dublin (in particular) and Ireland than Scotlands second city has.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Or do these type of links only count when its Glasgow ?
In fairness, Glasgow does have a large Irish diaspora with very significant Donegal connections. There was even an area in the Gorbals known as "Little Donegal". Variants of surnames like Doherty, Boyle or O'Donnell are relatively common and it's no surprise that the roots of Irish Glaswegians such Aiden McGeady (Gweedore roots), James McCarthy (Gweedore roots), Owen Coyle (Gortahork-Gweedore roots), Ray Houghton (Buncrana roots) and Charlie Gallagher who played for Ireland were all Donegal-based.
We used to go on holidays to Gortahork when I was a kid. John Hume was always hanging around.
Just as Liverpool has a large Irish diaspora - and not just confined to Donegal. Personally dont get the "more Irish than the Irish" nonsence peddled by Celtic but each to thier own (perhaps if they stuck to the Donegal club rather than the Irish club :cool:)Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
No disagreement there.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Liverpool as a city, yes. As a football club, their founding had nothing to do with the Irish community there. Celtic on the other hand......
Some of you really don't know your history.
PS, the damage to the Players Lounge is not as bad as first thought. The front is extensively damaged but back of the pub is just smoke damage.
Everton were the club traditionally associated with the Irish diaspora in Liverpool, if I'm not mistaken.
Everton were the traditional Irish-Catholic club in a city where the orangemen marched freely. Years ago I was on a show in Torquay and a guest in my hotel, from Liverpool, asked me where I was from. I told him and he laughed, and told me he was from the capital of Ireland - Liverpool. I didn't take it on board but heard the same thing back home afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
What we don't realise fully in Ireland is that for hundreds of years Irish people have moved over and back to GB - going back to late medieval times - for work or simply to survive. I know Magicme will support me in the case of Monaghan folks who ended up massively in one province in Canada who went via Glasgow. In the winter they worked in Glasgow and the West of Scotland, in summer they worked their small holdings in the drumlins. Eventually they got the call to head to a place called Prince Edward Island in Canada where to this day they consider themselves "real" Irish. I never had any problem with that, if it helps them sleep at night so be it. It's better that we tap into this diaspora than looking down our noses on them.
In Ireland we're more British than the British, so no surprise we still follow goings on on the mainland.
And you don't know your geography.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Is that you, Basil?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Despite the 'lose, lose, lose' theme of the last few days' European football, I'm happy to say that I managed to avoid the Super Cup completely and I am therefore not as miserable as I might otherwise be.
I actually had to avert my eyes at one stage over the weekend as they played a clip of one of the matches on a Ukrainian football programme.
I hope this farce never takes place again, but as a fairly recent follower of the LOI I'm beginning to see that hope is a dangerous thing, and so I guess there will be another installment.
Well I'm 'hoping' for a decent game in Cork tonight.
You know, it almost was :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
Another "Irish" myth there Spud. Everton originated (as a club) from a Methodist church club (St Domingo's I think) in the suburb of Everton. The suburb was far from a catholic area and once hosted its own Free Presbyterian Church - not usually something assosiated with Irish catholicism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Everton were favoured by early Irish "day trippers" (circa 1950's) as at that time they had a couple of Irish Internationals playing for them and were a first division team (glory hunting even then :o) . Goodison also hosted Irelands famous 2-0 win over England which I think was first oversees team to win in England.
Liverpool FC was formed in 1892 when Everton had a row with their landlord over rent and moved from their then home - Anfield. The owner of Anfield set up a new team and Liverpool FC came into being.
Anyway,apols for the EPL nature of this post I am away to wash the stench off myself :p
I heard Liverpool was set-up by an Orangeman. Not sure how true that is mind you, don't really care but thought I'd throw that out.
John Harding (I think) was his name. Owner of Anfield and landlord of Everton. When he put up the rent they (Everton) left and he formed Liverpool FC. Liverpool initially sourced a lot of players in Scotland where Harding had extensive business interests.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
As Harding -founder of Liverpool FC - was formely involved with Everton any political/religious allegiance he may have had would likely be common to both clubs
And Manchester (which had an area called "Little Ireland", cos that matters). And Leeds. And London. And Brum.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Soooo, what we have learned from all of this is that Irish people got around back in the day. Maybe the New York Yankees have some Irish connection in their foundation. Maybe I'll start supporting them. Only if they're a good team and they win a lot mind.
It's worth remembering, too, that for a great many Irish people who moved to Britain before 1922, and for some afterwards, it was migration rather than emigration. Adopting a club in Britain was as much an act of assimilation in a new region as it was a statement of being Irish.
Correct - sure wasn't that franchise formed in Baltimore, which is named after a place in Bornacoola on the Leitrim/ Longford border, and it had an area known as "Little Mohill". And anyway everyone knows that the Mets are a protestant club (they even have orange in their colours ffs!) and the real catholic club in New York is the yankees.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
FACT (well some is..)