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Gladly the day when we are crying out for granny linked players is as good as gone. There is a superb set of players there crying out for tactics and leadership, now hopefully, they will get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WembleyGreen
I never thought we would see such a day, the FAI have pulled off a massive coup with this manager. I only hope people give him a chance, some already have him written off - Pat Dolan the fool on setanta being one.
I thought I heard a quote from Dunphy the other day (on Newstalk 106 I think) along the lines of : it would be the happiest day of his life to see Trappatoni appointed as our manager......Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Is there any word on Gentille? Was the bbc thing that he has refused an offer true. It would be the only bad bit of news
anyone else notice that without any sense of irony PaddyPower were sponsoring the fai press conference!
lol, they could have funded him off the back of the 200 favourites we've had. Anyone remember Arie Haan?Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
Great day for Irish football. Trap has serious standing in world football. If the players can't play for him, they can't play for anyone.
I think we'll be really hard to beat under him. Nice to see him coming right out and saying we should top the group Bring back the glory days!
thank you. if anyone knows any places with different formats than real player could you please post them too? happy daze!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Topping the group would be a mini-miracle. If I'm correct we have only ever managed this once, when we qualified for Euro '88?Quote:
Originally Posted by DotTV
So now we have him, what happens next? I'm so excited about this, I think we are in a great position now, but I do wonder about a few things..
What about McGeady? Will O'Trappatoni take the SPL seriously?
Will the LOI be explored or will Trapp ignore it and focus soley on England?
Will players like Garvan and Morrison be considered even though not in the EPL?
Will Dunne finally be given the captaincy?
Its wierd...now I've had my few hours of happiness I'm back to worrying about where we go from here!
Still, absolutely chuffed. I think the majority thought we needed a proven Continental manager with tactical acumen and a strong personality, and I think the FAI have - for once - got it spot on.
Great day for us all, worth waiting for. For all their shortcomings in the past the FAI have gone and given us Someone to believe in and lift the spirits of the fans:ball:
It is a great appointment, but when all the fuss calms down, it's important that we have realistic expectations regarding qualification.
Qualifying for the WC is going to be a very difficult task. Leaving aside the games themselves, overhauling the "craic" culture within the squad, and establishing a professional set up with sulking players who didn't get their candidate for the job is going to be a big task to achieve in one campaign. We must also remember that many of the players are neither experienced enough, nor of world-class quality, and there are limits to what they can/are prepared to do for us. Technically, many of them are extremely limited, and that's being generous.
So with that in mind, nobody should be expecting us to qualify as group winners. We hope they are as committed to our side, like they are for their clubs. Qualifying for the play-offs is very achievable, but it will require more commitment and passion, never mind better results than in the last campaign.
The players that really matter aren't though (midfielders). Duff, McGeady, Reid, Reid and Ireland. Then there's Owen Garvan coming through too obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Italy are still obviously clear favourites to win the group but I can't split ourselves and Bulgaria for the other spot.
F'kin thrilled.... Delighted with the appointment, definately the best we could have got.
Now lets get down to Brass tacks...
Backroom staff will be crucial. He's gonna be based in Milan. I have some slight "worries" about his awareness and up coming exposure to the depth of the squad outside the top say 15.. And by that I mean when the innevitable injuries and suspensions come and he has to go down to the Championship or League One for back up, I hope he's in a position to assess & differentiate accurately the players. Sometimes I'd rather have a specialist player from the championship rather than a premiership player playing out of position, so it's crucial that when he goes to the championship that he calls the best player in that position at that level. I obviously hope Brady's involved but if it's in conjunction with his media and Arsenal responsibilies, I hope someone else, John Aldridge say, is involved in some cappacity.
Still thrilled though...
Have to disagree with you there man.. I think we're more depth with established technically gifted players than I can remember in a long time. Duff, Keane, A Reid, Ireland, McGeady. (I don't think we'll ever start with that 5 on the pitch)...Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
It's Ironically the area we're traditionally flush in that we're limited at the moment. The grafting midfeilders, centre halves, right backs,
The best news I've heard in ages. The Serbia game will be very interesting to see how we play the game. Imagine an Irish team playing a game without the outdated 4-4-2 formation.
Agreed shakermaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
A great appointment and hopefully his vast experience will be used to help the underage sides progress as well.
Good to see him giving the squad an early boost by saying they are a first rate team. I agree, its just direction and tactical nous we need. Now we have it, also hopefully it may groom Liam Brady to be the next boss.
Good Appointment, Hopefully This Now Gets The Team Into Shape. Think The Fai Could Have Handled It Better , But That Might Have Been Asking For Too Much. I Look Forward With Some Hope And Anticipation.
Lets See How It All Pans Out:d
I think I am the only one here (or one other) who is not over joyedby the appointment, but hell i agree with Deckydee.........Im really tired of not qualifying for tournaments.............:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckydee
would be great if givens is gone from the under 21's
if you can get RealPlayer Plus (through whatever means you feel are appropriate....) you can export the video in different formats - MPEG, AVI, QuickTime, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by ken foree
Its a great day. He has alot more English than i thought he would have aswell which is a great thing. Also great to hear some positivity about the team for a while. No 4 year plan nonsense. Roll on the qualifying campaign!
Trapattoni, makes Capello’s look like Terry Venables....well,not quite that 'orrible'....eh Tel?
Well done 3 man panel, FAI & O'Brien :D
Capello Trapattoni
Serie A titles 5* 7
Italian Cups 0 2
EC/Champs Lge 1 1
Cup Winners Cup 0 1
Uefa Cup 0 3
Super Cup 1 1
World Club Championship 0 1
Other league titles 2 (SPA) 1 (GER), 1 (POR), 1 (AUS)
Other league cups 0 1 (GER)
* Juventus two titles not included.
Trapattoni has won all Cup competitions he has entered with his teams in his career, not a bad omen for a country who have failed to qualify for the last World Cup and for next June’s continental tournament.
The only problem with the almost 70-year-old Salzburg coach is his spell as national coach.
In the two competitions he was at the helm of the national side, the Azzurri crashed out in the early stages. In 2002, in the second round against World Cup hosts South Korea and in the group stage in Portugal 2004.
Both times Italy accused referees and off the pitch Scandinavian allegiances but the reality was they did not perform.
Manager GP W D L Win%
Bearzot 88 40 26 22 45%
Vicini 54 33 14 7 61%
Sacchi 53 34 11 8 64%
Maldini 20 10 8 2 50%
Zoff 23 11 7 5 48%
Trapattoni 44 25 12 7 57%
Lippi 29 17 10 2 59%
Donadoni 16 10 3 3 63%
Looking at Italy managers since 1978, Bearzot and Lippi won the World Cup, Sacchi got to the final, Zoff qualified for the final at Euro 2000 and Vicini lost the World Cup semi-final on penalties.
Maldini’s fate too was decided from the penalty spot, in the quarter final against host country France in 1998.
How big a part did the booing at the Cyprus game and the previous game play in Stan's sacking and the process to find an acceptable ""replacement" Answer...A huge, huge part, unfortunate but true. unfortunate that it took that action to wake the FAI up.
I said when Stan was appointed that the appointment was a serious mistake, even if he had, against all odds, performed well, it was always the wrong appointment. No experience and a a time after Kerr when experience was essential.
Trappatoni is the right appointment at this time, even if results don't go our way, this appointment brings optimism, takes us to another level, breeds confidence and adds respectibility to an organisation and team that were at an all time low.
Well done to all concerned.
It's exciting for sure and it will be interesting just what impact Trappatoni will have, I'm optimistic again. And I care about results not style :)
What a contrast in 2 consecutive appointments!! Stan wasn't even a coach at a League 1 outfit and Trappatoni and basically done it all.
http://www.setanta.com/en/Sport/News...ritain-locale/
Kerr has gone down in my estimation in recent months. I supported him right to the end when he was Ireland manager and felt that he should have had his contract extended and that he was undermined by Delaney and as a result I think he has been bitter since and cannot give credit where credit is due.
kerr really pis$es me off...sometimes more than stan...at least i know that stan is not singing off the same hymn sheet
In fairness, the headline in that link is misleading. He isn't vocalising anything that any other sceptic hasn't thought to themselves over the last 24 hours....Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
"It is fair to say that he has got a great pedigree" says Kerr. (which no-one is denying, club wise) but, as most people opine, dubious disallowed goals or not : "he has not got a great track record in international football , as Italy went out tamely in Japan [World Cup 2002] and in Portugal [European championships 2004], where they went out in the group stages."
It's the man's opinion. Right or wrong. I can't honestly say that makes him seem bitter. He's simply expressing what he thinks when put on the spot by an interviewer.
It may not be what the vast majority of Irish fans (myself included) want to read right now, but it certainly could be considered a viable point of view...
When you buy a stock or mutual fund you always get the * saying "Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results". The very same applies to football. There are no sure bets in football, that's why it's fun :) The FAI have delivered a manager with a very fine CV, what more could they have done? We should be cautiously optimistic and enjoy it.
Kerr sounding a little bitter. At least Trapp got his team qualified, unlike Kerr and Stan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerr
Kerr is certainly a glass half-empty kind of guy.Quote:
He's had resources at all the big clubs that he has had success at. These clubs expected silverware and there was always a benefactor involved to help him.
On 2002, I think anyone who saw that game against S Korea with the slightest but of knowledge of football would know Italy would have won if there was a competent officiating crew.
Kerr was really trying to reason with Dolan who was completely against the appointment. Dolan looked furious last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I'm sure he'll lose sleep over that Neil.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
He was asked for an opinion and he gave it. At least he is honest enough to give an opinion not like the bland sound bites that come from others in the profession.
IMHO the man is a legend of Irish football and is always to be seen on away trips .. not like some other ex-Irish managers and players who never go to another game after they finish their Ireland careers.
He deserves more respect even if you don't agree with his opinion
The FAI have actually appointted someone that the fans are happy about, can't actually believe it, over the moon roll on September. G I, G I O, G I, G I O, G I G I O Giovanni Trapattoni!!
I don't see anything wrong with Kerr's comments - I think they're reasonably balanced.
There's always going to be a certain level of doubt attached to any managerial appointment - nobody is perfect. And Trapattoni over the course of 30-35 years in management is certainly going to have experienced some high points and some low points.
That's all Kerr did with his comments - he highlighted Trapattoni's high points and he highlighted his low points.
His point about his international record is valid though esp. Euro 2004. From what I remember of the Italy-Sweden game, Italy were ultra-defensive in the second half against Sweden. They totally dominated the first half - Sweden hardly touched the ball - and really Italy had enough chances to have been 3 or 4 goals up at half time instead of just 1-0 up. Second half Italy were definitely content to protect their lead. They sat back, let Sweden into the match and Sweden get a late goal that has been continually talked about since here in Sweden. There is no doubt that Italy should have won that match with a few goals to spare.
But in saying the above, ask yourself what type of team went on to win Euro 2004. Were Greece an offensive team?
Of all the names mentioned during the selection process I don't think anybody can argue that Trapattoni wasn't the most outstanding candidate for the job. We have never won anything at senior international level (except a tournament in Iceland :D) so Kerr is certainly right when he says that "Ireland is totally different" to what Trapattoni is used to.
But let's see what he can do.
Givens and Kerr.
Two clowns
Snap - I saw him at the weekend in an interview and he is worse than a barrel of lemons. Hes let me down.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
A mate texted this yesterday:
"Great news for Ireland. We've been mediocre for too long now. The people before him just weren't up to the job but I think this is going to be a success. I really feel that Dustin the Turkey can bring the Eurovision home".:D
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Originally Posted by Wolfie
When did "The Turkey" get added to his title. He was always just Dustin when I was growing up. That post has really tarnish this appointment for me. Cheers.
Couldn't agree more although I didn't think he deserved to have his contract extended after the insipid performances in the swiss games in both his campaigns "-0 defaet away and 0-0 at home) and they way the team surrendured leads that would have qualified us against Israel home and away as a direct result of his tactics (Kavanagh for an injured Robiie Keane after 25 minutes at home??? Farcical). He has been vert bitter since, that RTE programme he made was cringewrothy to watch. It's a shame because I'd always had a lot of time for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
More from Dolan: http://eleven-a-side.com/boysingreen...p?newsid=31040Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Kerr's been fairly negative in his comments for a while now, read some of his articles in the Irish Times about Stan's games, even the wins over Wales and Slovakia and it's hard to sympathise with him.
After the Wales game, I was walking through Croke Park to leave with the lads I went to the game with, Kerr was actually standing beside one of us. So he turns to Kerr and asks "well, what did you think of that Mr Kerr", "thought it was a load of sh!te" was his response. I resisted the urge to point out Stan had just beaten a team ranked far higher than any win he achieved in a competitive game.
[quote=Scram;877228]Trapattoni, makes Capello’s look like Terry Venables....well,not quite that 'orrible'....eh Tel?
Well done 3 man panel, FAI & O'Brien :D
Capello Trapattoni
Serie A titles 5* 7
Italian Cups 0 2
EC/Champs Lge 1 1
Cup Winners Cup 0 1
Uefa Cup 0 3
Super Cup 1 1
World Club Championship 0 1
Other league titles 2 (SPA) 1 (GER), 1 (POR), 1 (AUS)
Other league cups 0 1 (GER)
* Juventus two titles not included.
Trapattoni has won all Cup competitions he has entered with his teams in his career, not a bad omen for a country who have failed to qualify for the last World Cup and for next June’s continental tournament.
The only problem with the almost 70-year-old Salzburg coach is his spell as national coach.
In the two competitions he was at the helm of the national side, the Azzurri crashed out in the early stages. In 2002, in the second round against World Cup hosts South Korea and in the group stage in Portugal 2004.
Both times Italy accused referees and off the pitch Scandinavian allegiances but the reality was they did not perform.
Manager GP W D L Win%
Bearzot 88 40 26 22 45%
Vicini 54 33 14 7 61%
Sacchi 53 34 11 8 64%
Maldini 20 10 8 2 50%
Zoff 23 11 7 5 48%
Trapattoni 44 25 12 7 57%
Lippi 29 17 10 2 59%
Donadoni 16 10 3 3 63%
Looking at Italy managers since 1978, Bearzot and Lippi won the World Cup, Sacchi got to the final, Zoff qualified for the final at Euro 2000 and Vicini lost the World Cup semi-final on penalties.
Maldini’s fate too was decided from the penalty spot, in the quarter final against host country France in 1998.
jaysus fair play im only young didn't really know much about him 'til now