Mayo Football- 2006

The biggest problem with the sixteen player rule is that there is nothing to stop a club signing eight players for the A team who won't play all year. That way they have only 8 actual A team players and the other 8 can move up and down. I think this is what Manulla B seem to have been doing.
The old rules were that you signed 12 players as A for the year. The rest could be B. However upon playing five A team games, either starting or as a sub, a B team player automatically became an A team player.
This led to problems with B team players just filling in on odd days when A players are injured. When the A team players come back the B team players wouldn't get games but had played too many games to go back to B team and were therefore left with no football.
I think the current system would be fine if clubs didn't abuse it but it is never going to be the case so it has to be changed. It would be extremely interesting to see what list of players are actually signed for Manulla A. You could see a few forty somethings in there!

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Originally Posted by Fair Play

I still think that the answer might be to increase the numbers to 20,

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How would this solve anything?

Could I apologise if the inference given was that one man was responsible for this abomination as I presume that he could not forsee clubs listing Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck in their A squad. However a mistake has been made and it would be great if it was acknowledged as such but I doubt that will happen somehow. A table of suggestions or various options being considered before the AGM would also be a step in the right direction.
As regards intelligent delegates or otherwise it has long been my assertion that clubs send in these very same Mickey Mouse's to the meetings to avoid the fine !!!
Mettings are also few and far between and the MAFL is not exactly overladed with members - working or otherwise.

As Mossy says the MAFL is not overladen with members, so how would any complicated system involving A team players be monitored and controlled? We do not want to go back to the old days when clubs were deducted large numbers of points during mid season. It is time for your suggestions lads.

Could I dare suggest that A and B Teams should be treated as seperate clubs. Why should A teams be given access to 40 to 60 players when smaller clubs have to do with what they have. This would stop bigger clubs signing loads of players and giving them experience in the B (C) teams. Players would think twice about going to a club if they had to sit on the bench most of the time. Is it time for a reserve league? Just suggestions. Don't eat me.:ball:

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Originally Posted by Fair Play

I think that is a reasonable point regarding the Under 21 League, and the disruption it has caused to the Super league, and possibly the Premier Division. I suppose there is no perfect solution, given that both leagues are played during the Summer months. I am sure that the Mayo League are trying to develop the game, and I feel that an Under 21 squad committed to U-21 games only, would be an answer, but that was fully rejected by the clubs. It will need serious debate for next season.
As regards the comment on the B teams playing A team players, I must agree that it is somewhat farcical. I think it is unfair to criticize an individual for making that decision. I was present at the AGM where the clubs made the decision to allow this to happen. In actual fact there was very little debate, and I suppose that one should remember that it is clubs that abuse the situation, and not any individual who is involved in the league. Maybe what is needed is for the number of named A team players to be increased to 18 or 20 at the start of the season, but your overall point is correct.

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Have to agree with you there is no perfect solution to the U-21 because both
including our leagues run almost at the same time.
How ever the league main committment is to promote and foster Junior Football for which they the L.M.C. are charged with
as a part of our rules.
any involvment of eircome league must come 2nd.
regards to our players who are registered with clubs form part of what we as junior football consider in promoting and fostering our game.
If an under 21 league interfers with this then the league who is backing such an act should reconsider its own postition as if fails to promote the game that they are charged with.
you mention A/B this appears to causing more problems because some clubs are not playing in the sprirt of the game.
the rules were changed because it was agreed there were to many rules.
what we need to do is insist that clubs have 18-20 players on the A-team
who are playing with that team not shadow players which some clubs have.
One needs to question why B team players are playing week in week out with the A -team explaintions need to be explain why this is happening.
its about time the league sat up and explain why one club seems to play its
B games one time and its A TEAM AT ANOTHER!
Other ie, refix its B-Team and A- team were not put out together like other clubs where.:mad:

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Originally Posted by Fair Play

A club is required to list 16 A team players at the start of the season. The rest of the players in that club can play with either the A or B teams. No named A team player can play for the B team. I think that a player can transfer from the A team to the B team.

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the word is regrade not transfer.
as this does not effect the player if he should transfer after.:)

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Originally Posted by Harpsbear

I've raised this at the Bombers and I havent got a definitive, I expected that like Dublin City pulling out of the Eircom League all results involving them were null and void. Like they never existed. I've since established with Mayo League this is the case which puts Ballyvary Blue Bombers i.e us in a relegation dogfight on 22 points I think. It threathens our very security for next season because Ballyvary Blue Bombers B are in Division 2 and means we can have only one team competing next season.

Lacken after pulling out of the league dont keep any points. All results and points accrued are cleared.

As a Ballyvary Blue Bombers 'B' player does that mean the games against Swinford B and Urlaur Ud are my last for a few seasons. If so I resent Lackens decision to pull out whatever their reasons. It has cost us the ability to field an A and B team for another season.

Brendan

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very simple max points awarded is 6 so if you won you are awarded 3 if you loss both games you 6pts if drawn 1 you get 5
the point is the team is considered not have played in the league when it has with drawn.so if you hadn,t played them you get 6pts
Hope that helps:ball:

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Originally Posted by Bestie

As Mossy says the MAFL is not overladen with members, so how would any complicated system involving A team players be monitored and controlled? We do not want to go back to the old days when clubs were deducted large numbers of points during mid season. It is time for your suggestions lads.

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Its not true to say that clubs could be deducted large number of points.
what was done in the old days as you put it was incorrect.
What should have happened now and in the passed is that you can only deducted for the first offence not offences that have been repeated, as it has not been brought to the attention of the club.
I dont think its problem to monitor clubs as it wasn't a problem in the pasted.
regards to the numbers not involved in the League need to be address by that league and should come up with the answers to why poeple don't want work with the excisting members.
One for the next meeting with your delegates when you decide to hold a meeting with them.:eek:

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Originally Posted by sinabhuil

Could I dare suggest that A and B Teams should be treated as seperate clubs. Why should A teams be given access to 40 to 60 players when smaller clubs have to do with what they have. This would stop bigger clubs signing loads of players and giving them experience in the B (C) teams. Players would think twice about going to a club if they had to sit on the bench most of the time. Is it time for a reserve league? Just suggestions. Don't eat me.:ball:

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Well done Sina you got it right they should be seperate and not given an addvantage over smaller clubs.they want to play with there a/b then they should regrade.
Cut out the messing that is going on at the moment.
as for the reserve League I sujest we don't go there as that causes more problems than A/B TEAMS as it did in the passed.;)

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Originally Posted by renovater

Its not true to say that clubs could be deducted large number of points.
what was done in the old days as you put it was incorrect.
What should have happened now and in the passed is that you can only deducted for the first offence not offences that have been repeated, as it has not been brought to the attention of the club.
I dont think its problem to monitor clubs as it wasn't a problem in the pasted.
regards to the numbers not involved in the League need to be address by that league and should come up with the answers to why poeple don't want work with the excisting members.
One for the next meeting with your delegates when you decide to hold a meeting with them.:eek:

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Tell that to Ballyglass and Manulla B when the "witch hunt" was in train some seasons ago. It has taken you a long time for you to come around to that type of thinking. By the way, I am not on the league to have anything to do with calling a delegates meeting......just offering my views and opinions the same as you are.

To me the answer is simple (maybe too simplistic). Any club running an A and B team should name their squad as clubs with only one team does. There is no crossover unless there is an official transfer. The difference is that, these clubs with A and B teams would be allowed mid season transfers between their teams. Each player would be allowed only one transfer per season. As it stands now any club with only one team has to struggle on if their is a player shortage (injuries, holidays) but big clubs running more than one team have an unfair advantage by being able to pull players back and forth especially when there are important games. When we need players mid season we have to go find and sign them, why can't the bigger clubs do this? Is it another case of the league being run by and for a select number of clubs?
We had an expierience of this a couple of years ago when we beat a B team handsomly in the first leg of a cup but in the second leg we faced what effectivly was 70% of their super league team and only scraped through on the odd goal. This is the situation that has to stop or we will never be operating on a level playing field. (pardon the pun)

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Originally Posted by short_frank

We had an expierience of this a couple of years ago when we beat a B team handsomly in the first leg of a cup but in the second leg we faced what effectivly was 70% of their super league team and only scraped through on the odd goal. This is the situation that has to stop or we will never be operating on a level playing field. (pardon the pun)

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This couldnt happen as all their players would be cup tied!! I think we will have to think about reverting back to the old 5 game rule ie if you play 5 A team games you automatically become an a team player.

Sorry to have brought this whole thing up really. But can we agree on a few things
A. It is not working Now ?
B. Was it better with the old 5 Rule ?
C. Is different Squads with or without transfer window too strict ?
I always thought that the rule should revolve around the question of whether you played for the A team in it's last Game(s) ie You cannot play for your B team if you have played in any of the last Two A team games. This will allow players to play B if they are dropped from A or injured and will stop the Sat. evening A match followed by the B team Sun Morning crap that is going on now.
Disadvantages: Players reluctant to play A ?. Difficult for MAFL to monitor ?Although any club who can't know if Mickey Mouse played in the last Two A matches should be deducted all their points anyway for sheer lack of organisation.
Opinions Please !!!!

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Originally Posted by The Don

This couldnt happen as all their players would be cup tied!! I think we will have to think about reverting back to the old 5 game rule ie if you play 5 A team games you automatically become an a team player.

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Sorry Don it did. Maybe not legally and that would obviously have been a bad example but I was at an A game a few weeks later waiting for the B team to play us in the league after and I saw their A team.

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C. Is different Squads with or without transfer window too strict ?

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Why is different squads too strict after all every other club in the league has to operate like that.
The problem with the 5 game rule is how hard would it be to monitor it. I am sure the league registrar would have a complaint.

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Originally Posted by Bestie

Tell that to Ballyglass and Manulla B when the "witch hunt" was in train some seasons ago. It has taken you a long time for you to come around to that type of thinking. By the way, I am not on the league to have anything to do with calling a delegates meeting......just offering my views and opinions the same as you are.

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I think you right about one thing mistakes were made but they were the decissions at the time.
I am not interested if you serve on the league, all I am concerned with that I just offer my opinions.
I don't intend to get into a slaging match with regards who serves were.
All I am interested in that the league serves all clubs with out favour.:ball:

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Originally Posted by short_frank

To me the answer is simple (maybe too simplistic). Any club running an A and B team should name their squad as clubs with only one team does. There is no crossover unless there is an official transfer. The difference is that, these clubs with A and B teams would be allowed mid season transfers between their teams. Each player would be allowed only one transfer per season. As it stands now any club with only one team has to struggle on if their is a player shortage (injuries, holidays) but big clubs running more than one team have an unfair advantage by being able to pull players back and forth especially when there are important games. When we need players mid season we have to go find and sign them, why can't the bigger clubs do this? Is it another case of the league being run by and for a select number of clubs?
We had an expierience of this a couple of years ago when we beat a B team handsomly in the first leg of a cup but in the second leg we faced what effectivly was 70% of their super league team and only scraped through on the odd goal. This is the situation that has to stop or we will never be operating on a level playing field. (pardon the pun)

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I think you are thinking on the same lines as I hinted earier seperate teams.
If a player wants to regrade he simply regrades.
another words no player may assisted the other team without regrading upto 31st july. thats the easy rule to manage and fair all round.:)

hey renovater,

i see Bangor Hibs gain promotion to premier league and won the divisional cup. i did say they have a good season and you didn't think so. have faith :D

As a new kid on the block, I would like to look at football matters on the field. I was a spectator at todays game in Milebush between Castlebar Celtic and Crossmolina. How Crossmolina were not two or three up at half time is beyond me. I thought they played some great football, and were really unlucky. Celtic did very well in the second half, and probaly deserved their win in the end. There is a good report on the Mayo website.

Just saw this on the Limerick site
they didn't take a training session, they met with Stephen Kenny and his staff to go through the Limerick team, strengths, weakness etc......
Tommy Lynch is interim coach at the moment, someone to take training as the lads were a bit fed up of Danny's efforts!, a few people were interviewed for the job last week, Mike Kerley and Gavin Dykes among them
this on the Limerick site

Great chance for Ballinrobe to get revenge on Moy villa in Junior cup. Can the A team do what the B team couldn't.

Foot.ie got a mention on the Western People this week on Colm Gannon's column. The Don, Renovator and Harpsbear all got a mention on it.

Why is the Connaught publishing the league tables with Mulranney on 23 points and 18 games played when they have yet to play Manulla B. They did the same thing a couple of weeks ago saying Mulranney at that stage had 1 game left and were on 20 points when in reality they were on 17 and had 2 left. What really amazes me is that there is a M.A.F.L. committee member on the paper staff and they still can't see the mistake. I imagine this would be of major interest to Harpsbear/Ballyvarry and Kiltimagh/Knock.
This leads me onto the soccer coverage in the Mayo papers. I know we have covered this before but it seems nothing has changed. I see we get 1 page maybe 1 1/2 if we are lucky even though we are at a critical part of the season with so much at stake and I see the laughable situation of one paper giving a full page to two men rambling about English league soccer and their "teams" and 1 page to all Mayo soccer. Surely with the numbers playing each week and the success Mayo league soccer has had recently they could see that their coverage is a joke. If Foot.ie is being mentioned in the papers then let us all write in and show our displeasure at their coverage (or lack of it) of soccer in the county. Maybe the papers will answer with a reason for their laughable attempts to cover soccer but I won't hold my breath.
Just a quick final note to the journalists and editors of Mayo newspapers, there is football outside the Super league and the big Mayo towns!

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Originally Posted by Thunderblaster

Foot.ie got a mention on the Western People this week on Colm Gannon's column. The Don, Renovator and Harpsbear all got a mention on it.

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Originally Posted by short_frank

Why is the Connaught publishing the league tables with Mulranney on 23 points and 18 games played when they have yet to play Manulla B. They did the same thing a couple of weeks ago saying Mulranney at that stage had 1 game left and were on 20 points when in reality they were on 17 and had 2 left. What really amazes me is that there is a M.A.F.L. committee member on the paper staff and they still can't see the mistake. I imagine this would be of major interest to Harpsbear/Ballyvarry and Kiltimagh/Knock.
This leads me onto the soccer coverage in the Mayo papers. I know we have covered this before but it seems nothing has changed. I see we get 1 page maybe 1 1/2 if we are lucky even though we are at a critical part of the season with so much at stake and I see the laughable situation of one paper giving a full page to two men rambling about English league soccer and their "teams" and 1 page to all Mayo soccer. Surely with the numbers playing each week and the success Mayo league soccer has had recently they could see that their coverage is a joke. If Foot.ie is being mentioned in the papers then let us all write in and show our displeasure at their coverage (or lack of it) of soccer in the county. Maybe the papers will answer with a reason for their laughable attempts to cover soccer but I won't hold my breath.
Just a quick final note to the journalists and editors of Mayo newspapers, there is football outside the Super league and the big Mayo towns!

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To be honest Frank we haven't a clue whats going on.I had thought that with the pull out of Lacken all points accrued or lost by the club would be scrapped and we would have a league table similar to that left when Dublin City left the Eircom League. Seems the simplest solution.Its done and dusted now and we know what we have to do.Partry beating Kiltimagh/Knock Utd helped:)

Regarding Mulranny, didn't they beat Charlestown 3-2 at the weekend:confused: .Kiltimagh/Knock Utd were beaten by yourselves.I'm nearly sure that was the result and it looks like we may end up in a play-off to ensure status in Division One next season. I haven't seen the paper so I take your word on that. I dont think that table sounds correct. As I remember from the weekend Kiltimagh/Knock Utd were beaten and Mulranny won to move to 20 points, 2 behind us. Not sure where the Connaught got their information but it doesn't concern us because its incorrect.

I'm sure the Connaught and The WP are well aware of us at Keelogues though its not necessarily us they are interested in coming to see this year.

I dont expect anything to change on the Mayo League coverage.I dont see a shift in focus either outside the big two clubs in the Super League anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by short_frank

I see we get 1 page maybe 1 1/2 if we are lucky even though we are at a critical part of the season with so much at stake and I see the laughable situation of one paper giving a full page to two men rambling about English league soccer and their "teams" and 1 page to all Mayo soccer.

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If Mayo wins the King of The Bog Final on Sunday, finding our favourite sport on the local papers will be harder next week, when there would be in interview with a Mayo bogballer that actually won the King of The Bog Final in 1950 or 1951, two of three bad years for Mayo soccer with 1936 being the other one. Rather be watching Liverpool V Chelsea rather than that kick/handpass and catch rubbish.

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Originally Posted by Thunderblaster

If Mayo wins the King of The Bog Final on Sunday, finding our favourite sport on the local papers will be harder next week, when there would be in interview with a Mayo bogballer that actually won the King of The Bog Final in 1950 or 1951, two of three bad years for Mayo soccer with 1936 being the other one. Rather be watching Liverpool V Chelsea rather than that kick/handpass and catch rubbish.

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U are sad.

too many on here, at least I hope not. Probably getting a bit carried away with himself and I think if he gave his post more than a milisecond of thought, he wouldn't have written what he did. I think we should forgive him. He usually comes across as a decent lad.

Despite playing soccer for the last 30 years I absolutely and totally support Mayo on Sunday. I would even go as far to say that if given a choice between Mayo to win the AI or Ireland to win the world cup I would pick Mayo to win the AI.
It is deep in our soul and part of what makes us what we are. We have no choice. To call this the King of the Bog Final is outrageous and shows the exact same level of prejudice that a very small minority of GAA officials show towards soccer.
UP MAYO.

an All-Ireland ahead of a World Cup. Come to think of it, nothing could ever compare to Westport United's victory in the Junior Cup. For covies everywhere, it defined us and was our greatest day.

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Originally Posted by Thunderblaster

If Mayo wins the King of The Bog Final on Sunday, finding our favourite sport on the local papers will be harder next week, when there would be in interview with a Mayo bogballer that actually won the King of The Bog Final in 1950 or 1951, two of three bad years for Mayo soccer with 1936 being the other one. Rather be watching Liverpool V Chelsea rather than that kick/handpass and catch rubbish.

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You are a disgrace TB. Now I have to admitt that usually you are on the money with you're posts but this time you are way out of line. You will probably be the first one out onto the streets if Mayo win shouting the odds and what have you. I was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt with your thread on Westport Utd where on it you are the only one to post or read it but now you have gone to far. Then again the only good thing to come out of Westport is the road to Castlebar

If you want to talk about GAA (like/dislike)start another thread.
This thread is for Mayo football.

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by swinfordfc

hey renovater,

i see Bangor Hibs gain promotion to premier league and won the divisional cup. i did say they have a good season and you didn't think so. have faith :D

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What I think are my opinions, you don't have to agree.
I don't need you to remind me what I said on a previous post.
It would serve you best keep your attention on how to promote Swinford to the big League.
By the way is young Price still playing with you.:)

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Originally Posted by sinabhuil

U are sad.

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Enough said about thunder views on gaa, just hope in the future he would not offend any sporting body without leased offering them the right to reply.
best wishes to Ross/ Mayo on Sunday.:mad:

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Originally Posted by short_frank

Why is the Connaught publishing the league tables with Mulranney on 23 points and 18 games played when they have yet to play Manulla B. They did the same thing a couple of weeks ago saying Mulranney at that stage had 1 game left and were on 20 points when in reality they were on 17 and had 2 left. What really amazes me is that there is a M.A.F.L. committee member on the paper staff and they still can't see the mistake. I imagine this would be of major interest to Harpsbear/Ballyvarry and Kiltimagh/Knock.
This leads me onto the soccer coverage in the Mayo papers. I know we have covered this before but it seems nothing has changed. I see we get 1 page maybe 1 1/2 if we are lucky even though we are at a critical part of the season with so much at stake and I see the laughable situation of one paper giving a full page to two men rambling about English league soccer and their "teams" and 1 page to all Mayo soccer. Surely with the numbers playing each week and the success Mayo league soccer has had recently they could see that their coverage is a joke. If Foot.ie is being mentioned in the papers then let us all write in and show our displeasure at their coverage (or lack of it) of soccer in the county. Maybe the papers will answer with a reason for their laughable attempts to cover soccer but I won't hold my breath.
Just a quick final note to the journalists and editors of Mayo newspapers, there is football outside the Super league and the big Mayo towns!

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Think everything has gone arse ways this year. The league is less and less concerned with the lower leagues. The standard of football in the top division is slipping and there is damn all interest in the Super League race. To be fair coverage of games can be judged on how many people turn up at them. I've played in lower division games this year the majority of which had less than 20 people at. I enjoy playing but there's hardly hundreds of people waiting to read Division 1 or 2 match reports.
Partry and Inver seem to have good followings but that is the exception, not the rule.
Super League attendances seem to be dropping too. Interest seems to be at an all time low. Why? It's not as competitive in the Super League this year for sure with such a strong Celtic team but, and maybe it's just me, but every other big club is on the way down. Westport might be just in a slight transition but I don't know, time will tell. What do ye think?
Thunderblaster ur long enough around to know most soccer followers in Mayo follow the GAA in a big way too. Kop on

Anyone lighting the Futsal fire on Thursday evening in St Geralds College?

Intrigued.

Any more information on what is involved. A free football sounds good.

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Think everything has gone arse ways this year. The league is less and less concerned with the lower leagues. The standard of football in the top division is slipping and there is damn all interest in the Super League race. To be fair coverage of games can be judged on how many people turn up at them. I've played in lower division games this year the majority of which had less than 20 people at. I enjoy playing but there's hardly hundreds of people waiting to read Division 1 or 2 match reports.
Partry and Inver seem to have good followings but that is the exception, not the rule.
Super League attendances seem to be dropping too. Interest seems to be at an all time low. Why? It's not as competitive in the Super League this year for sure with such a strong Celtic team but, and maybe it's just me, but every other big club is on the way down. Westport might be just in a slight transition but I don't know, time will tell. What do ye think?
Thunderblaster ur long enough around to know most soccer followers in Mayo follow the GAA in a big way too. Kop on

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Isn't this then the main reason and the most important time to have publicity. There is interest surely from the sixteen men named on each team sheet of each team and the other club members (a substantial amount of people) to justify more than one page and surely to take over a page of two men rambling about english soccer with opinions we hear down the pub at any time (as i said earlier).

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Originally Posted by renovater

What I think are my opinions, you don't have to agree.
I don't need you to remind me what I said on a previous post.
It would serve you best keep your attention on how to promote Swinford to the big League.
By the way is young Price still playing with you.:)

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No he follows the footsteps of some other players to the bright lights of Castlebar Celtic and no doubt will be playing up front for the senior team shortly.