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Wow, how did the Lino not see that :confused:https://twitter.com/luke_oriordan/st...672start%3D360
Fair shoulder in my dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Sidefx
Was it the shoulder or the crisp packet blowing across the pitch he fell over ;)
I don't think an elbow to the face was ever considered a fair shoulder - no matter how old you might be.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
But sure...
Looks like a raised elbow from Finn to me and if so he should have gone but Kelly also raked his studs down the back of Finn's leg. You can see footage of it on Twitter if you're interested. Disgusting stuff. Raised his foot right up and stamped down with his studs. I don't know which happened first to be fair. Poor from both.
Watched it numerous times and can’t see how you can claim that Finn raised his elbow… he was caught by Kelly on his blindside and shoved over and raked …. Whether or not Kelly was reacting to the earlier incident is immaterial and fail to see why Doyle gave a yellow to Finn… anyway it doesn’t matter now to us but may hurt Bohs as Kelly will be suspended for next roundQuote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
https://i.ibb.co/PcLXPzz/elbowgeorgie.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
the thing at a 90 degree angle coming from the player on the right is called an elbow.
It’s very clear from the video that Kelly firstly rakes the back of Finn’s leg and then throws Finn down and as ( per your still) Finn falls and as is natural his right arm comes up to move outward to brace his fall , at no point does Finns arm/elbow make any contact with Kelly .Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
All your still shows is the gap between Finns arm and Kelly ; if Finn did make contact with a deliberate elbow as you claim ; surely you would of posted a ‘still’ showing that rather than one that doesn’t ? Or perhaps you’ll explain it by suggesting there was a second elbow on the grassy knoll
I don't think finn elbowed him he went down like a guy that was shouldered, he didn't go down clutching his head which these days is a given if he was elbowed in the head.
Doesn't matter anyway no one injured and both sent off ultimately.
Your talking about the wrong incident ,that still is from Finn barging Kelly which I presume led to Kelly losing the plot…Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
Finn went in hard and high with his shoulder on Kelly and then threw his elbow up as a bit of afters. Didnt connect with the elbow. But definitely threw his elbow up. Its plain as day.
They both ended up getting red cards, both well deserved. Its the derby FFS. No angels on either side.
Ignoring the elbow/shoulder from Finn (although to say shoulder is a very generous interpretation) as it's before this passage of play - it was before, I would say that Finn deserved at least a second yellow.
The rake/stamp CJ are speaking about isn't fully clear from the video- I would expect finn to make more of a meal of it if it was. Either way, ref/lino didn't see it so it ranks alongside Finn's "shoulder", not seen/not given. The throw of finn to the ground? Free out if anything, but not seen/not given.
The tackle that took Kelly out and seemed to take out his standing leg?
By my view, penalty & second yellow at least. Again, Doyle didn't see or give it.
Moving on. Ball hits crossbar, "tackle" on Georgie's standing leg, ball skied over the bar.
Georgie (facing away from Finn) hits the ground in frustration (at no penalty? Who knows) Finn gets up and swings left arm into his back/right hand into midriff/groin. Kelly reacted, didnt see the strike clearly, but I can't really argue with red - Finn definitely earned a 2nd yellow or straight red for striking Kelly while on the ground.
Finn had three separate occasions in the space of a few minutes. It seems a tad blinkered from Rovers fans to suggest that he didn't deserve any of them.
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Originally Posted by SkStu
Fair enough , I don’t have access to review the whole sequence of play but take your comments as being accurate….. for what it’s worth when watching it live my initial feeling was that you should of been awarded a peno…. So on the day I was happy to settle for Finn getting a redQuote:
Originally Posted by Bohtastic
At the same time Kelly throwing Finn to the ground before Tierney hit the crossbar could have resulted in a free out, if seen.
At the time I thought that Doyle pointed to the spot after the final shot over the bar, regardless of the sending off.
Think there's a bit of confusion here as to the order of events and maybe a few thinking the rakestamp by Kelly happened at the same time as the shoulderbow by Finn. They were two separate incidents. I don't know which happened first and haven't (and probably won't) subject myself to a second viewing of the game to check. Both were fouls although I generally think a clatter of a shoulder is a lot less dangerous than the stamp/rake Kelly attempted on Finn. He may not have connected as if he had I think it would have done serious damage but he certainly did enough to take Finn down. I think SkStu has the right interpretation of Finn's barge on Kelly. He goes in with the shoulder and the elbow comes up as they separate. If it happened in GAA it'd be called a good hit. Not saying it wasn't a foul in the beautiful game though.
Doesn't matter now anyway. It was a fiery derby that Bohs won fair and square and I don't know if Finn staying on would have changed much. Over to Rovers now to sort out a few issues and keeping winning in the league. Good luck to (almost) everyone else in the cup. Feel it's Boh's year but hopefully one of the rest of you can stop them getting their grubby mitts on it.
Good to see that we won't get another Rovers-Dundalk (or even Cork-Dundalk) final again this year.
Given Dundalk's recent league form, I'd be surprised if they even got to the final. Would be good to see 2 new(ish) teams contesting it for a change.
I wish they’d hurry up and make the draw, rather than slot it in when the get a minute.
UCD v Waterford
St Pats v Wexford
Finn Harps v Dundalk
Bohemian v Maynooth.
Nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Finlay Harp
Can see Harps beating Dundalk for starters think its going to be their year even though I would like Bohs to do well considering I have close friends that support them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidefx
Jesus Christ Marty.. don't be saying stuff like that. We're going to get beat by Dundalk are we're going to be relegated..Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
The cup will be a massive focus for Dundalk as their route back to Europe and we've a tough game on the previous Monday as well. Great to be at home but that's not the draw I was looking for.
Not happy with that draw either! What year did Harps v Dundalk go to a replay most recently. I thought it was in the last 6 or 7 years but cant see it anywhere. Not that it makes difference but we were hot favourites and fell in to the next round in the end. Replay happened early 70's as it happens. These game are played to a conclusion and with relative club's form and it being away in Finn park its a tough one. Getting to another cup final this year could be the best of the lot for Dundalk as it will take European like performances starting in Donegal. You do get the sense at times that a name is on a trophy and both Pats and Harps are giving off the vibe this year.
If we cant raise our game for this last chance saloon for European qualification and how important that will be for the clubs future and some rebuilding needed , from both the minimum finances to be there and turn players heads for Euopean football - well we should probably write off a good few of the quad. Exceptions being Pathing, Stanton, Dufy, Kelly, Hoban, McMillan, Boyle, Garts, Cleary, Leahy, Dummigan, Sloggett maybe Jurkovskis, Murray, Han, Ben Amar even - plus the kids. Its not a major over hall. Weed out the dissenting voices in the camp and look at improving the s&c department. All relative to whats out there and if there is similar quality for less of a premium wage. Finally the pitch which is possibly holding us back more than it being a psychological advantage ain in the past.
It would have been easier to say who you want them to get rid of
Could it be that the strongest dissenting voices are amongst that plethora of players listed...
Have you seen the size of Dundalk squads over the last couple of years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
Possibly but I tend to ignore the rumour mill on this like this as every players, staff member, admin to the tea lady have been name dropped as the culprit/s. I suppose we will see if there are a few headscratcher decisions made with not effort to keep on the books.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
I would not be writing Dundalk off at all. They can turn it on when they feel like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
BTW loved your piece in Irish Mirror pullout last week guess whos in it this weeks Nigel!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Yeah good pt Ger but I think Harps will make it hard for Dundalk that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Certainly not. Hopefully that sort of cr*p is now gone from OP,was excruciating to listen to :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Harps haven't beaten Dlk in Finn Park since 2007. Not that i'd dice with fate or even touch it by predicting a Dundalk win.
Cup game v Maynooth sold out tonight, 50% capacity, so probably 1,800 or so.
Des Kelly end cleaned up and will be open, probably for the 400 Maynooth fans who sold out their allocation... pretty impressive from them, in fairness.
Swap 'em for UCD!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
Fair exchange, Catholic Seminary for Catholic University.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Serious crowd in Finn Park.
Colm Whelan's great season for UCD continues, putting them 1 up against Waterford
Why so serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by CorribsideSteve
I mean as in unreal, incredible. In a positive sense of the term. Probably 1.5-2K there by looks of it. Good to see the community coming back out in force.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Owalabi!!! Thats a cracking goal. Buried it. Dundalk dawdling by the sideline, lose it and go 1 down. Familiar script.
Edit: Game turned on it's head. Definite goalstopping red card. Hoban tucks home the penalty.
4 red cards by half time
Are you watching on LOITV? rewind back and watch it , its obvious keeper got itQuote:
Originally Posted by CorribsideSteve
Yeah I am. I saw it twice on the replay. Looks like the FH defenders left arm stops it as he slides near the goal-line. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it'l be proved before too long one way or the other. Dundalk controversially ahead now though. Why did they get the ball thrown back to them before they scored? Poor goalkeeping not to keep that shot from Murray out tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa