I haven't heard any additional news. Far as I know, Everton are still trying to get him ready for Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
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I haven't heard any additional news. Far as I know, Everton are still trying to get him ready for Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Those quotes by Martinez seem as though if Coleman doesn't play Sunday then he'll take a break during the internationals. That's a bit rich given that we play Germany 9 days later, at which point he could well be fit.
The quotes are a bit ambiguous. He's addressing Everton fans and people interested in Everton, so it's more likely he's just saying if he's not ready for the Manchester United game, he'll definitely be available after the break. Ultimately it's Coleman's decision whether he feels right to join up with the squad.
It's irrelevant...
Deutschland will win.
Will you stop saying that..Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
http://www.11v11.com/teams/germany/t...es/season/2013
They conceded 7 goals over 2 games against Sweden and squeaked wins against USA, Ghana, Algeria and Scotland in recent times. They are depleted of stars due to retirement, injury or poor form (Ozil, Poldi) and Gomez is lacking match practice.
Unlikely we'll win but we're never going to get anywhere with your kind of attitude.
Portugal draw with Liechtenstein. Italy draw with Luxembourg. Northern Ireland beat England, Spain and Russia. Yet we can't aspire against a team that has 4 or 5 stars and 4 or 5 donkeys in it.
Win, draw or 0-6 loss and I suppose it will be party time in Gelsenkirchen either way though so hey....
Agree with all but the last part, which is a bit childish.
I didn't see Celtic tonight but bbc live tracker suggests Gordon was pretty good, again.
Relax, Forde would have made all the saves he did ..... well, nearly all.
Mulgrew wasn't playing and Brown is still 4 or 5 games off his pace.
Stokes though is beginning to show some shapes.
McGregor is knacked and misses the international break, but he's probably in the worst form of the three goalkeepers so probably won't affect them much.
Yeah, right. have you looked at our form v. decent teams? It'd be a fecking miracle to get any sort of result.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
And your last sentence is laughable.
Liechtenstein, Luxembourg and Faroe Islands fans have reason to deride their own teams chances of getting results against decent teams - and they do it. Why can't Ireland? Jesus Christ like. Watch the Premier League, FA Cup and Champions League. It isn't that hard to frustrate teams the standard of Germany and nick a point or even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
If Sweden can put 7 goals past Germany and Scotland can fluster them then no a defeat isn't the writing on the wall.
Enough time has passed now for the new management regime to iron out the inconsistencies, lack of a gameplan and lack of belief that saw us get whipped in a few games following Euro 2012.
If we put in a performance like the one at home to Austria - like we are capable of doing - and build on it instead of retreating into our shells and capitulating, then we can at least do everyone proud and have people questioning who will take the points like Scotland last month.
This Germany team is far from perfect. They have bambi like defence. It's a game made for Shane Long and maybe even Doyle on the counter to fluster them. But will MON be brave enough to select the right team?
I agree with TOWK's general sentiment, aside of his attention seeking '5 donkeys' comment. Obviously the odds are stacked high in favour of your prediction AB, it's a fairly safe bet in reality. We get it though, no need for the constant reminders that we are incapable of getting a result under any circumstances. The fact is though, that a positive result is possible. To say stranger things have happened would be an understatement. Football, and sport generally, throws up unexpected results all the time, as I'm sure anybody who has ever done a four or five team accumulator full of dead certs will testify. Germany cost me a stupid amount of money when they didn't 'sneak a win' against Ghana at the WC. A week or two later they were putting seven past Brazil, as I shook my head with contempt.
I think it's vital that they beat Poland first. If they slip up there they'll have an extra incentive against us. If they beat Poland, they're as good as qualified and might just take the foot off the gas slightly. Plus, we could really do without Poland getting a 'bonus' point.
even though they conceded seven goals against Sweden and Scotland, they still only gave up two points in those three games. I think we have a chance in the game, but a German win is the most likely outcomeQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
We have no chance in either game v.Germany. Get over it!
Our qualification, besides damage limitation in those two games, will be probably based on results v. Alba & Polska.
Actually think the Scots will be 2nd and us 3rd, but we'll both qualify, just about.
And then fail narrowly to get out of our groups in the Finals.
The End.
Good, so why whine on about it then...
:rolleyes:
Germany are that bad they only won the World Cup 1-0 with an extra time goal!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
We need to face facts. Ireland are a poor side and a team like Germany wouldn't have to hit top gear to beat us. That might be our only hope. If Germany aren't at the races and our 1-11 have blinder we have a chance. But looking at MON's teams and his time at Sunderland he is a negative manager and will look to shut up shop and grind out for point. I hope I'm wrong. I'd rather go for the Scotland approach.
Will you give it a rest... Scotland lost narrowly in Germany. Germany's free scoring wins over Brazil and Ireland are the exception to the rule. They have noticable flaws. Nobody is questioning that Germany are the hot favorites. A win over Ireland is not guaranteed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Jesus.. I hope the players don't have the same attitude as you.
We got tanked in Dublin due to extenuating circumstances - Trapattoni was waiting for a golden handshake and everyone concerned was going through the motions. We lost comprehensively in a meaningless match under a youth team coach.
Several short years prior to this - under Staunton - we played out tight games with Germany. Same as Scotland did recently. There is no reason why we can't do this under O'Neill.
If a heavy German win is a foregone conclusion then are you still travelling to Gelsenkirchen? And if so why are you bothering?
TBF I think it is for Germany, they are a class act, and have a squad of top class players. We dont even have half a team of decent players.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Germany 1/12 to win the group. Ireland 12/1, knock yourself out:)
A win for them is probably guaranteed, sadly. Not because previous Ireland teams couldn't grind one out, but have no more faith in these players than say during the Euros, as the collective ethic may have improved but the quality of our players is probably worse...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
But we all knew these days were coming, hence my enthusiasm for 'new blood' by whatever means!
And even if we lose, wouldn't put me off going, though if we lose 6-1 again, no-one's going to be delighted...
One of the Polish players went to the eye doctor the other day. The guy pointed to a line on the chart that said C Y Z R C K S K I.
"Can you read that?" Asked the optometrist.
"Read it?" Said the Polish player, " I know the guy!"
Ha.
For what it's worth we will beat the theme park. Or if we don't...
Though not by as much as Polska, just can't see seven goals in this team.
:sweat:
So how many AB? Make me some Euro.
I think the results against Gibraltar are irrelevant in a tie-breaker, thankfully.
The results against the last-placed team are discarded from determining the best third-placed finisher between all the groups, but results against Gibraltar (assuming they finish last) would be a factor in determining who finishes where within the group: http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...1_DOWNLOAD.pdf
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Article 13 Equality of points – qualifying competition
13.01: If two or more teams in the same group are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following criteria are applied, in the order given, to determine the rankings:
a. higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question;
b. superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question;
c. higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question;
d. higher number of goals scored away from home in the group matches played among the teams in question;
e. if, after having applied criteria a) to d), teams still have an equal ranking, criteria a) to d) are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the teams in question to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria f) to j) apply;
f. superior goal difference in all group matches;
g. higher number of goals scored in all group matches;
h. higher number of away goals scored in all group matches;
i. fair play conduct in all group matches as defined in Annex C.5.1;
j. position in the UEFA national team coefficient rankings (see Annex B.1.2.b).
Article 14 Qualification for the final tournament
14.01: The nine group winners, the nine group runners-up and the best third-placed team qualify directly for the final tournament.
14.02: To compare the rankings between the qualifying groups and to determine the best third-placed team, the results against the teams in sixth place are discarded.
The following criteria are applied, in the order given, to determine the rankings:
a. higher number of points obtained;
b. superior goal difference;
c. higher number of goals scored;
d. higher number of away goals scored;
e. fair play conduct in all group matches as defined in Annex C.5.1;
f. position in the UEFA national team coefficient rankings (see Annex B.1.2.b).
Ok, so head to head first, then GD. That's good for us I think.
Three Scottish goalscorers with four overall goals in the Premier League today. There have been two Irish goalscorers with an overall total of two goals all season. *Groans*
Let's not even bother playing Scotland, they're going to beat us.
It's just depressing watching Soccer Saturday knowing that no Irish players will score.
Morrison, Dorrans, Arfield, Naismith and Wallace have all scored by now.
How do we have so many low scoring players? Whelan, McCarthy, Quinn and Gibson must have about 4 goals in the last 400 games between them by comparison.
You really can't read very much into it. They have more attacking players starting in the division, whereas we have a lot more defensive players. If Robbie was playing in the Premier League he'd have more goals than the lot of them combined.
Fletcher scored twice today, his only goals this season. He got three in the whole of last season. He's Kevin Doyle without the work rate. I wouldn't worry about it.
Not to worry TOWK, Simon Cox and Paul Green both scored today.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Fitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supreme feet
Strange that Scotland's players playing well means they'll beat us, but Germany's players playing well means we'll get a result off them!
Cox loves to score.
I think people may be misinterpreting what I am saying.
Out of Arfield, Wallace, Morrison, Dorrans, Naismith and Fletcher - only Naismith and Morrison, at a push, are anything to write home about.
I'm not making a point about their players or drawing comparisons to our own players.
It's just utterly mind boggling - and a bit depressing - watching Soccer Saturday every week and their players score more than our own. I mean all those players I've just mentioned have one goal already. I would wager a bet with anyone here that McCarthy, Gibson, Ireland, Meyler, Quinn and Whelan (combined) will have less goals than all of those players have already (combined) by the end of the season.
I would still 55-45 expect Ireland to beat Scotland
This is why I was desperate for Brady to start or for Coleman to regain full fitness this weekend. They are the only Irish players, along with Long, who look confident enough to score on any kind of recurring basis - and Long is being played out of position!
All those Irish players you mention play in defensive or holding roles. It's no surprise they're not racking up the goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
I think if Long, McGeady, Walters, Doyle, Keane and Brady were playing Championship football they'd have bags of goals. Naismith is a worry, no doubt.
TOWK, how come you've ignored Daryl Murphy, who has scored plenty for Ipswich? You 've been a fan recently enough. McGoldrick - relevant on the assumption he'll be available before long - has been doing as well as any Scotsman really and Sammon has been doing well enough at that level too. McClean was excellent against Ipswich. Pilkington scored last week, Hoolahan has been playing well. Reid - relevance debatable - has been playing well. Matt Doherty too, as TOWK is happy to point out. Westwood MOTM today and very good all season. I'm sure there are others relevant too, not least Eoin Doyle and Conor Hourihane. I dunno about Arter and O'Kane though either could sneak into Scotland's squad probably. Maybe even Sean Scannell too. Didn't Hendrick start the season with a few goals before his injury?
TOWK made the point after two or three weeks of the season that the Scots everywhere have started better than our players. I made the point (by way of a question) a couple of weeks ago that our equivalents have caught up, at least. The point went unnoticed though.
Our problem is that some of our players would probably be standouts at Championship level but not good enough to tear up trees at EPL level.
The bigger worry for me is that Strachan is happy to trust non-elite players whereas our management think it's some kind of crisis that we don't have a team full of Champions League players. It's not.
Hmm, not even WGS thinks that but let's hope MO'N has a cunning plan...Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Naismith with a goal at Old Trafford.
I disagree with that last sentence. Fletcher didn't play that much last season through injury. Let's face facts, at 31 Doyle is finished as top class striker. On paper there isn't much between Ireland and Scotland but the Scots have an edge about them. We don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin