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Very much so when i see cry babys wailing. The facts are that Waterford will take a place in next season 12 tam premier if offered. They won't take a place in the 7 team first. So what happens if it continues and they're relegated?Quote:
Originally Posted by gormacha
Whilethey might advocate a 16 team premier, they won't say no to a 12 team spot.
Can't see Dundalk surviving if we are relegated to a six team division.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
PreciselyQuote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
They pay their bills, they have integrity (well Mervue do anyway), they have fantastic underage setups and facilities, they don't sign contracts that they don't and won't see through, and most of all in my opinion they have the experience of running a club for years and years, and that's not just a LOI team, it's over 20 juvenile teams and 2 junior teams as well.
GUST have one year experience running a football club, a year which culminated in the end for Galway United. With that track record, I think it's kind of obvious why the FAI didn't accept their licence last year. The GUST lads seem to have missed this point.
Maybe the FAI will have another look at this if say only 6 teams are willing to participate in the FD. What then if another club follows the suggestion by Waterford (if they dont get promoted), and suddenly only 4 teams remain.Its too fragile to have clubs in that situation of threatening to pull out. Mons did it easy enough after 3 months, whats stoppping others doing it pre season?
I wouldnt rule out an EGM at a later stage with a single division back on the table.
Even if we surived the play off (or somehow escaped it) I would still be in a favour of an expanded single division, not sure how many teams though. 16 perhaps, 15 home and away, keep it simple.
I thought the plan (someone mentioned it in some other First Division thread) might be to supplement the First Division with top tier reserve sides, ala the A Championship/Spanish system?
Certainly, they do not appear to be any rumblings of any non-league club seriously considering an application (aside from GUST).
Who are the even likely ones anyway? Tralee, Cobh I suppose. Fanad? Carlow? Castlebar? Anyone else who could possibly survive in the LOI?
This plan will see some long established clubs closing.
It is not possible to survive economically in a 6 team first division.
I believe Cobh and Tralee both indicated after being rejected for this year's league that they will try again next year. Along with GUST if all are approved you would be looking at a 10 team first division.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Maybe I'm missing something here, but how could the first division only have 6 teams (even if no new clubs were allowed in)?Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
All including GUST would inflict huge harm on the leauge.Three teams in Galway is not viable in any way shape or form and that is the bottom line.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
The FAI can't be that blind?
Huge harm on a division that already includes Salthill and Mervue? Have you been to Drom!?Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
Yup.I don't know what you're try'in to tell me here?Quote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
I'm assuming only one team from Galway. Even if there were two teams from Galway and the league comprised 7 teams, it still isn't viable.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
That is fine, if the objective is to concentrate on football in big cities/towns and leave the rest of the country to the GAA.
I think people saw "entities" and ran with that meaning reserve sides too. Could also mean brand new clubs, as per Kildare County, rather than a simple promotion of an existing team. It may turn out to be the case, simple because the idiots read this thread and think it's a great idea - I don't see anything from the FAI to suggest that's what they are thinking now.*Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
If teams that applied last year (but were denied a licence) get in this year, it will be interesting what improvements they've made. Or how much the criteria is reduced. Whilst I am 100% sure a 6 or 7 team premier isn't viable, I'm not convinced parachuting clubs in not up to the required standard just to make up the numbers will automatically make it viable either. The whole thing is a mess that needs long term, and radical, solutions.
*not that the idea of reserve sides in it is idiotic, but that the administrators won't have thought of it.
While it would be great to have Galway United back it is very hard to argue with the fact that salthill and Mervue have conducted themselves well in keepng their clubs running. Mervue in particular can be a tough team to play and are doing it on very limited resources. Until there is proof otherwise it's hard to see how they can be convinced to get together with GUST. The only thing they can offer is a bigger support base but if salthill and Mervues names were to be gone and they played under the name Galway United or GUST then they may as well just pull out altogether and let GUST go it alone.
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Originally Posted by Macy;1629040[B
Seen as the reserve sides thing came out before the FAI gave any statement involving "entities" i doubt that is what happened.
I was talking to someone who should know, and the reserve team thing has been on the table for a while. Most FD teams oppose it apparentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Macy
And rightly so, it's a ridiculous ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Ok - I stand corrected. Good to see they've devoted a few minutes to the issue. However, Dan McD's indo piece also suggests that it mightn't be supported by premier teams either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
It's clear from the articles that they're winging it on other teams coming in - "We'll just have to wait and see" as per the Times article. Did they even notice that there was only 11 teams for much of this season, to base their thinking that a 12 team premier is best? Mind you, I guess mons going belly up helped with their attendance increase stat.Quote:
One option being considered to bring the First Division up to speed is that top-flight clubs could enter reserve sides.
However, the cost and logistics are likely to deter Premier Division sides from doing this.
I can't imagine many premier division clubs being able to afford a second entry. I also can't imagine many Premier Division supporters paying €10 to go watch their reserve side on a Saturday night. You'd not get many fans travelling to away games either, especially as they could well be on the same day as the teams home games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
If the participation fee was reduced, or abolished, and City could charge €5 entry into Bishopstown on Saturday nights, and all Premier games were to be played Fridays and first games Saturdays then maybe there could be interest. Perhaps a combined season ticket - say for example €170 euro for the Premier Division, €70 euro for the first division or €200 for both teams - could help.
Our promotion hasn't hurt it either - they say Premier attendances are up, but gloss over the reduced attendance in the first. Has the overall gone up at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
The difference between the A league reserve team, and these Reserve teams is that the Premier clubs 9at least initially) were forced to have an A side, whereas this would be voluntary. I've no idea what would happen if, say, Cork were relegated. Would that reserve team collapse?
The issue of pricing has to be looked at alright
It was some of the prem teams that brought it up not the FAI so clearly some would support it.
Been told too that Tralee and Cobh have stated an interest i trying again.
I've never been so desperate for Limerick to escape from this mess.
what if a team got relegated and their reserves got promoted?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Reserves can't get promoted under these kind of systems, so they'd probably cease to exist.
Meaning they would need to find a replacement. Sounds like it could be very messy year to year.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Well, in that specific situation I assume the replacement is the relegated parent club, no?
I don't see how anyone can expect the FAI to have time to plan long term strategies for the league structure when they're busy releasing urgent statements regarding how many caps Damien Duff officially got for Ireland.
http://www.fai.ie/international/senior-men/102762.html
But let's say cork go down and Finn harps get promoted. That means two teams went out of the first division, cork reserves(can't exist) and harps(champions) but only one team came down, cork first team.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
I see your point.
Athlone dont seem to be too happy about new league structure going forward and with some of the "sub standard clubs involved in LOI" here--http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/s...town-chairman/
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Originally Posted by Guitd
Just from that article it says "and to adhere to UEFA directives, they need two divisions "surely people cant blame the FAI for sticking to what Uefa say if that is true.
Dunno if thats true. He's wrong about the co-efficient though
So why even mention a single tier division in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
It should never have been offered as an alternative option if this was the case.
There must be some UEFA leagues that operate with just one tier.
Edit: I don't even know where to look to confirm/deny that UEFA has such a rule. Here it says they are "commited" to a promotion/relegation model: http://www.uefa.com/uefa/elevenvalues/index.html
Surely if Uefa say we need 2 divisions,they would say whats the Min numbers of teams in the league to be counted, If they do I wounder would the First div this 7 teams count as a league, I am nearly sure I heard that to be counted as a league by UEFA you must have a min of 10 teams in the league (maybe thats just for Premier div)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
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Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy
Did the FAI offer it though? Or was it just clubs asking for it?
Ive no idea of the ins and outs of it i have heard a few things from people at different clubs though. I just found it strange that that fella from Athlone seems to give a reason against what he wants in an interview.