NO, they just knew it was you trying to view Young one :D :pQuote:
Here EG I still am locked out of viewing your site. I thought anyone could view for free and join it or is that only at the elite's discretion?
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NO, they just knew it was you trying to view Young one :D :pQuote:
Here EG I still am locked out of viewing your site. I thought anyone could view for free and join it or is that only at the elite's discretion?
Dodge I wont be bold anymote sorry about the swear. Well Paul O' Sheasy I would suggest you drive through Banbridge or Bangor during the summer ...What a lovely wee bunch of bigots. Or ask Neil Lennon who's family (from Lurgan) are among the most soundest easy going guys I have ever met.
bwagner, ye got an infraction I assume?! Im top of that league, about the only thing I ever have been/am :D
Ya the gf sister lives in banbridge with her boyfriend, but she would always be driving a northern reg car so I dont know :) Ill take your word for it though and not bother going there!!!
Hehe your a wee devil O'shesey.
But I love having this site so thanks to the lads who make the effort to keep it up.
Anyway men I would kill to see both North and South in 2008...I would cheer both but of we came against the north I hope we would stuff them.
The rule is you can't cap somebody who has been capped by another international team from u16 and older.Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
The procedure is for the player to apply to "transfer" to another national federation.
That is the procedure. I suppose in theory a country could always play an illegal player with an acquired passport. But we are above such shennanigans as alluded to by the OWC crowd :)
I suppose there are records of every international game (all ages) played.
The ref has a teamsheet and also has to check each name with a passport and has to send that to FIFA. So if there is an objection to someone then everything can be checked.
Hi Lopez,
I am a Finn Harps fan.I had no idea we were such a diverse multicultural club:D.Please tell me about your experience of these Finn Harps fans you refer to.
Ealing Green...maybe you can explain why I was turned down to join the board at ourweecountry. My username was sligo_boy....
The amount of gurning from people who don't care about Northern Ireland :rolleyes:
Yes we banned all taigs from our site as we are nasty bigots. It was nothing to do with the fact that our sever does down as the number of people checking OWC after a NI game busts the bandwidth, hence we make it members only.
Livehead/Sligo Boy as I deal with membership I don't recall you name on there tring to join :confused:
bwagner: Don't even bother. In fact do, it should be most amusing, we can take bets on how long you last. By the way, I'm from Newcastle, I could have taken you to a pub for a pint and where they have catholic babies as pub grub. Next time your up give us a shout.
Actually, I've just checked and the reason you couldn't join is a simple one: with nearly 6,000 members already signed up, they now have to restrict new membership temporarily for a few days after a match, when the traffic levels are sky-high, otherwise the server will crash for lack of bandwidth.Quote:
Originally Posted by bwagner
So try again and I'm sure you'll be OK. Oh and by the way, they get a higher than normal number of "trolls" trying to join/post at such times - from both sides of the divide, as it happens.
Therefore, to weed them out, any suspicious handles on untraceable addresses get rejected (e.g. 1690Loyal@orange.com or ourdaywillcome@hotmail.com).
Therefore, if you have a hotmail-type address, I'd advise you not to choose something like "fcukthenorththescumfans" as your handle, but I'm assured that "DundalkGuy" or "bwagner" etc will be perfectly fine.
Any further problems, just say Ealing Green sent you.
Or quote your Lodge Number*.
* - Joke, btw
As I indicated to bwagner just now, there's a perfectly normal explanation. Try again. (Btw, it also explains why I wasn't able to access it by my normal link - despite my being ever so well in with what you term "the elite"!;))Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
See above posts. Oh, and "Sligo Boy" will be fine*. After all, wasn't His Excellency Sir Lawrie of Sanchez a "Sligo Boy" for a while? :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
* - Though I can't see what's wrong with using "livehead1", or even "livehead2", if you like.
Oh ffs, OTK. There's me doing my level best to lure these unsuspecting victims into the trap and you go and let the mask slip as to what we're all really like...:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by On The Kop
Nobody wants me on here either but that never stopped me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
If we had an all-Ireland state, and there was an all-British football team, wouldn't the same apply? 20% possibly wanting to play for the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
There was a website belonging to FH/GR fans around 5 years ago, but it can't be found on google. Claimed they also supported NI.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheifo
Sorry, did you mean to say server or sewer? Both seem to make sense. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by On The Kop
Dunno about eating babies, but I know you like to hang around with blokes who kill babies. (cue the w*nker smilie)Quote:
Originally Posted by On The Kop
Fair enough but it's a bit childish to use the old "Just Feck Off!" argument to someone who comes on here with opinions we dont agree withQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
There's not too many midfielders ahead of him. Scholes, Carrick and Hargreaves, and Ferguson seemed to prefer him over Fletcher and O'Shea in pre-season. I'm sure he will get playing time, especially seeing as Hargreaves seems a bit injury prone.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheifo
I think Dodge is right. It's the same rule that allows Darren Gibson to play for the Republic. The rules states that a holder of an "Irish or British passport" may chose whatever country they wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
I wouldn't flatter yourself that much. The Isle of Man would probably register higher on our list of rivals.Quote:
Originally Posted by On The Kop
But you sound such a jolly lot that the OWC site couldn't possibly hold any resentment to Connor, Gibson and O'Kane. It's all a wee bit of banter whilst totally respecting their wishes to be Irish citizens and choose the Irish team.
All those rumours about bitterness and resentment couldn't possible be true.
There was a bit of a charade here in this thread about presenting an arguement against the lads declarations but as the saying goes "you can't be serious" as if we thought that such an educated poster could be so irrational, persecuted and dogmatic.
Is there such a rule?Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
According to FIFA, NI born, qualify for Ireland under FIFA's article 15. No other criteria need apply
No such mention there of British or Irish passports.
http://ourweecountry.ipbhost.com/ind...7&#entry397517Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Just found this http://www.ourweecountry.co.uk/worldcup02.html what and utter piece of bigoted ****e that is. I almost feel sorry for whoever wrote that as he is obviously a narrow minded bigot and racist. Some of these quotes from him about "the Republic" made me laugh.
"The consensual fiction that there was a team called "Ireland" representing the entire "nation" in Japan and Korea "
"The Republic equalised through a freak Matt Holland strike and held on for a draw."
"Of course the most disgraceful piece of hubris and mendacity was the claim that the 'tinkers' outplayed Spain"
"The Republic and their fans were on the plane home with only their self-delusion and whatever they’d stolen from their Asian hosts to bring with them."
"Roy Keane was also probably concerned about his family. I’m told it’s been a tough few years for itinerant driveway tarmaccers."
"Mick’s multinationals equalising penalty came from a highly unconvincing foul on Niall Quinn."
Remember that was only 5 years, ago for such a racist piece of writing to be allowed be put up on one of 'Norn Irons' biggest fan forums is an absolute disgrace and they wonder why people from a nationlist backround choose to play for Ireland. He comments "Micks multinationals", eh did'nt Northern Ireland have/had Englishmen, Germans and a Norweigan born play for them. He also writes about our lucky results in the World Cup, but this was the time when Northern Ireland were drawing 0-0 with Liechtenstein, losing 4-1 to the mighty Poland.
They also when 13 GAMES without scoring! and when they did score the 'worlds greatest fans' celebrated like the won the World Cup (they lost that game in which they finally scored 4-1 to the giants of Norway. Oh and this was also around the time they booed their own captain for simply playing for Celtic.
And fans of the 'Wee Little Country' wonder why Gibson etc declare for Ireland.
at least I could just check that one post.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
"(as is the case with the UK passport/Irish passport)"
That bit has been put in by the poster Pronane, undoubtably a Fenian. I hope he gets out alive.
I thought that was quite funny, take pleasure in their misery at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naitch
Great to get the usual suspects back when OWC is mentioned.
Geysir, we are all looking forward to Iceland again. Come and say hello. We can chat all about your comments about our last trip there.
Lopez, still reading the books, getting a feel for the place? Odd comment about hanging around with blokes who kill babies? Still by all accounts you are very odd so will let it pass.
We do seem to bring out the worse in you lot don't we?
Anyway, I feel your pain lads over these last few years, all that media coverage we have been getting. Still I'm sure a round of 'Stand Up If You Hate The Brits' over in the Czech Republic will cheer you all up.
And when was the last time you made it to a major competition or even came close mate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Naitch
1986. 21 years ago, a long time to build up angst
OWC crowd are desperately hanging to the fig leaf that he is still inelligible for Ireland and are talking about getting Germany to lodge a complaint on their behalf as they would hold more sway than NI.
Even SammyG is suggesting that he has never been selected for a competitive match as he's illegal. Completely forgetting the fact that he's a young inexperienced player with a dose of midfielders ahead of him in the pecking order.
The amount of delusion on there would put the Jonestown massacre to shame.
It's quite clear that there is absolutely zero respect for the wishes of nationalists on that site and they are simply expected to put up with the status quo and shut their bloody mouths. Like it or lump it. Sad.
This thread is about Darron Gibson, "Ireland or Nobody", his gradual rise through the ranks of the Ireland team culminating with his debut on the senior team and the objectionable public media focussed attempts by the NI team manager to make political football out of Darron's FIFA's legitimatly sanctioned approved choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by On The Kop
Do you have a little black book of all those who made what could be perceived as a negative comment towards the NI fans. Harbour resentment? Are you so insecure and touchy?
AFAIR, I highly complemented the NI fans in Finnland and the work of the FFA. A favourable comparison made against perceptions from 8 years ago in Iceland. (Before the FFA was formed?)
Why should I have any negative expectations about the NI away fans now, I would be contradicting myself. Some people do not hold onto a past negative perception in the face of obvious evidence to the contrary.
But when NI come to Reykjavik, I will be as usual sitting with the natives, I don't expect to be as thoroughly satisfied as I was last time with Gudjonson's late strike for victory. Bring warm clothes and a fat wallet :)
why was it rejected thenQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Everybody: May I introduce you to Marty, the grand wizard of ourweeminds?Quote:
Originally Posted by On The Kop
It was he who allowed (still allows?) racist garbage such as 'Tales from the Underground' on his a*sewipe of a site, so Naitch, this is the man to ask 'why'?
He also decorated the masthead of his site with military regalia at the beginning of the illegal invasion of Iraq. So if he starts claiming politics and sport should be kept apart, you know he's b*ll****ting.
As you can see, he's a bit touchy about us fenians 'reading books' in case we might get educated. Or perhaps, as can be expected, that for someone who hangs around soldiers a lot, books to these people are like kryptonite to superman.
Isn't your sewer working yet?:D
Listening what's going on your side, a lot less from us gets you going. You know what you are like? Spoilt kids not getting enough attention from your mummy. We pay you no attention; You start throwing your dummy around. Sad, but in a cutesy sort of way, also very funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by On The Kop
The media coverage I've seen YOU'VE been getting is about the bigoted sh*te on your site, from nominally unionist newspapers. If things have changed, I couldn't give a f*ck.Quote:
Originally Posted by On The Kop
I'm sure we will, but let's get things straight, it won't be about your team. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by On The Kop
Lionel Richie. Where are you? Marty's back after an absence of three and half years. Great opportunity to ask the Army Groupie why he'd be upset about someone from the 26C playing for NI.
The Good Friday agreement is quite clear on the constitutional status of Northern nationalists, like me. I am as Irish as Bertie Ahern or Bono, and so is an Uachtarán, Ardoyne's own, Mary McAleese.Quote:
CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES
1. The participants endorse the commitment made by the British and Irish
Governments that, in a new British-Irish Agreement replacing the Anglo-
Irish Agreement, they will:
(vi) recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to
identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they
may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both
British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would
not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland
-The Agreement
As the Good Friday Agreement is recognised as international law, it is unlikely FIFA are going to go against it. Therefore the position is that Darren Gibson, Mary McAleese, or me have the right to play for whatever side we wish, as long as we haven't turned out for the others senior international team. Comparing Gibson to James Morrison is not right, as Morrison is playing for he reletives country. Gibson is playing for his country.
Furthermore the IFA has no real choice but to invest as much in under age development for nationalist as unionists
Sucks to be them.
You don't speak for me. Please don't assume you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
I think that whatever Ealing Green's opinions, he manages to make those points far more eloquently and with more restraint than many others who disagree with him.
Really, since when? Btw there are plenty of people that post on this site with either no interest or even a dislike for the International teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
Well don't read it. No one is forcing you too, but please try not to speak for others in your posts. Others find discussing stuff with him engaging and I find his posts far more interesting than a lot of the tripe posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
Where did I say your posts were tripe :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
Ive been over there. I don't see how that should affect how I treat people coming onto this site though.
I've never seen EG tell any ROI fan that they were unwelcome on OWC
Thats very true...they just reject our applicationsQuote:
Originally Posted by micls
Quote:
Originally Posted by On The Kop
Are you still going on about beggers on that site, and acting like a bunch of British army groupies, ahh you boys are well up to scratch, strange how so many people in that so called country of yours wouldn't phiss on you if you were on fire never mind support you or indeed in Gibsons case play for you. Don't worry about what songs we will be singing in the Czech Republic, I just hope our we don't have a little problem with some of the players and coaching team like what happened to some two bit pub team when they went there to play the Czech Republic a few years ago.
If your going to come over from ourweeminds at least bring maddog over with yer, I enjoyed watching him getting torn to bits.
Go on bring him on for the craic.
Forgot completely about that story. :D Trouble is, compared to some of the sh*te over the years (Neil Lennon, Neil Lennon, and er , Neil Lennon) that was a good news day.Quote:
Originally Posted by sylvo
As for Maddog, although being a bit on the simple side, still has enough gumption not to come here for a cyber rumble. Wonder if Army Groupie might stay. I hear the sewer's back working so you might have to wait another 3 1/2 years till he once more emerges, as Tuff says, from an teach mor.:rolleyes:
This is not an open and shut case. It is debated at length over on www.ourweecountry.co.uk and is up at 86 pages.
There are 2 relevant articles.
Article 15 of the FIFA Statutes is below. this would indicate that anybody born in NI is eligible to play for the RoI as they are entitled to an Irish passport and Irish nationality.
This was first produced in 2004 in reponse to Qatar doling out passports to Brazilians.
These were amended in 2006 but Article 15 hasn't changed significantly if at all.
Now in 2005 FIFA issued an annex clarifying the statutes. Page 29 Annex 2 lists the criteria for players whose nationality allows them to represent more than one association.
If you read the annex then Darron Gibson does not qualify nor do any NI born players with parents and grandparents born outside the RoI unless they have lived in the RoI for 2 years.
As I see it there are a number of arguments here
1) Darron Gibson can claim his nationality is Irish and only Irish despite being born in the UK it does not mean that you have to take British nationality just that you have a right to it.
2) There is an argument that Irish nationality qualifies you for NI as per Dermot Aherne's intervention on the passport issue. then DG is ineligible under the Annex
3) The Annex was issued in 2005 to clarify 2004 statutes. These were amended in 2006 but I'm not aware of a subsequent Annex so the current one probably doesn't apply (legal argument here).
Ultimately FIFA must rule. This has dragged on for well over 18 months. It is anything but clear cut.
It is highly political. I actually believe FIFA are trying to avoid a ruling.
Statute for eligibility :
VII. ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR ASSOCIATION TEAMS
Article 15 Principle
1
Any person holding the nationality of a country is eligible to play for
the representative teams of the Association of that country. The
Executive Committee shall decide on the conditions of eligibility
for any Player who has not played international football in accordance with par. 2 below, and either acquires a new nationality or is
eligible to play for the teams of more than one Association due to
his nationality.
2
With the exception of the conditions specified in par. 3 and 4 below,
any Player who has already represented one Association in a match
(either in full or in part) in an official competition of any category or
any type of football may not play an international match for a representative team of another Association.
3
If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a new
nationality, or if a Player is eligible to play for several Associations’
teams due to nationality, he may, up to his 21st birthday, request
to change the Association for which he is eligible to play international matches to the Association of another country of which he
holds nationality, subject to the following conditions:
a) He has not played a match (either in full or in part) at “A” international level for his current Association, and if at the time of his
first full or partial appearance in an international match in an
official competition for his current Association, he already had
the nationality of the Association’s team for which he wishes to
play.
He is not permitted to play for his new Association in any competition in which he has already played for his previous Association. A player may exercise this right only once.
60
4 If a Player who has been fielded by his Association in an international match in accordance with par. 2 above permanently loses the
nationality of that country without his consent or against his will due
to a decision by a government authority, he may request permission to play for another Association whose nationality he already has
or has acquired.
5
Any Player who has the right to change Associations in accordance
with par. 3 and 4 above shall submit a written, substantiated request
to the FIFA general secretariat. The Players’ Status Committee shall
decide on the request. The procedure will be in accordance with the
Rules Governing the Procedures of the Players’ Status Committee
and the Dispute Resolution Chamber. Once the player has filed his
request, he is not eligible to play for any Association team until his
request has been processed.
29
ANNEX 2
ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR ASSOCIATION TEAMS FOR PLAYERS WHOSE
NATIONALITY ENTITLES THEM TO REPRESENT MORE THAN ONE ASSOCIATION
Article 1 Conditions
1. A player who, under the terms of Art. 15 of the Regulations Governing
the Application of the FIFA Statutes, is eligible to represent more
than one Association on account of his nationality, may play in an
international match for one of these Associations only if, in addition to
having the relevant nationality, he fulfil s at least one of the following
conditions:
a) he was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
b ) his biological mother or biological father was born on the territory
of the relevant Association;
c) his grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the
relevant Association;
d) he has lived on the territory of the relevant Association for at least
two years without interruption.
2. Notwithstanding par. 1 of this article, Associations sharing a common
nationality may make an agreement under which item d) of par. 1 of
this article is deleted completely or amended to specify a longer time
limit. Such agreements must be lodged with and approved by FIFA.
GSpain, the discussion has moved on
As has been repeated quite a few times in this thread since it was first mentioned, the famous Annex 2 applies to Naturalization issues only.
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federa...sid=92699.html
There is nothing furthur that FIFA have to add to their letter to the IFA in OCT 2006
Naturalisation is a different matter than having the right to citizenship from birth. The former is open to abuse from many countries, not just Qatar. Britain with Zola Budd, Germany with numerous athletes with as much connection to the country as the children of gastarbeiter that were continually denied citizesnship. Ireland too, but that was with Cat food factory owners.
I would argue that NI are breaking the principles of the agreement against naturalisation by going to England and picking up players with no connection with NI - principally this is no different than Qatar.
If they got a special dispensation in their favour, then we'll have one in ours for Gibson et al. That's what the eejits on ourweeminds.co.uk need to decide. They can't have their cake and eat it. Half decent professionals like Maik Taylor who make a difference, or someone who doesn't want to play for them and probably never will. Who's it to be? Because Taylor has never 'lived on the territory of the [IFA] for at least two years without interruption'. If FIFA decide against Gibson, I for one hope the FAI, and indeed lawyers acting for Gibson, do their utmost to have Taylor ruled ineligible too. It's the least the little spiteful f*ckers on ourweeminds deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Either let's talk about proper citizenship law which is non-discriminatory (just as Darren Gibson is entitled to Irish citizenship at birth so too is the loyalist road sweeper from the Waterside), or talk 'footballing juristdiction' which means Maik Taylor's NI career should be ended because he is as clearly a mercenary as the Qatar Brazilians