Bosnians mediocre on confidence.
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Bosnians mediocre on confidence.
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Not so sure about the confidence bit. Looks like they wanted to avoid is judging by comments prior to and immediately after the draw. Similar sentiments to us really
Thanks, interesting reading it from a Bosnian perspective, indeed they seem to have quite a bit in common with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
"It will take a long time before he's eligible for us, not sure if he has even begun the process to get Bosnian citizenship"
Replace Bosnian with Irish and that could easily have been written on this forum!
Off topic but I saw something interesting this week while doing work research...the guy that was Uday Husseins body double, Latif Yahia, is stateless...but he has lived in Ireland for 13 yrs and is married to an Irish gal and has kids. I wonder if he roots for the team.
They're quite bemused at Shay still being our keeper... As am I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
They have 3.829 million to your 4.525. One of the rarest but most favored items in Bosnia is Mexican Coca Cola, the only "real" Coca Cola left in the world. The Mexican Bottlers use cane sugar where everyone else uses corn syrup or cheaper crap.
1.9 percent of your population is Asian.
Bosnian culture asserts that red headed people may be witches. Be warned.
I wonder how eligibility works there are it is part of former Yugoslavia?
Interesting. Knowledgeable old bunch but have noted our biggest flaws in that Keane and Given still play for us (we lack a consistent high-level goalkeeper and goalscorer).Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Why is this in Zenica and not Sarajevo? Poor POSH is going to have a hell of a time getting there.
I think it's advantageous for us to play away first. Bosnia play better football than us, at times much better football, Imo they outplayed Wales both times. But this is a play off environment and somehow I think we will turn that to our advantage.
Horrible draw. Only comfort is we're at home second leg.
Begovic, Pjancic, Besic, Ibisevic, Dzeko, Lulic, Salihovic, Visca. These are all extremely skillful competent footballers.
The new boy Hodzic is also well regarded even though he's not played competitively.
Interesting draw! not too sure what to make of Bosnia. Their ranking is pretty good, despite some poor results in their qualifying group.
On paper they look pretty good. Going on recent games, here's an eleven they might go with for first leg;
Begovic (Chelsea ENGLAND)
Spahic (HSV GERMANY)
Mujdza (Freiburg GERMANY)
Sunjic (Stuttgart GERMANY)
Vranjej (Gaziantepspor TURKEY)
Pranjic (Roma ITALY)
Lulic (Lazio ITALY)
VISCA (Istanbul Basaksehir TURKEY)
MEDUNJANIN (Deportivo SPAIN)
Dzeko (Roma ITALY)
Ibisevic (Hertha Berlin GERMANY)
On paper just as good as Poland. Reckon Poland would just shade it with Lewandowski being the only difference between the sides.
Missing O'Shea and Walters in the first leg will be crucial and Long is also looking unlikely. A first leg draw would be a good result!
I don't have the same warm fuzzy feeling like some others on here and in the media. It'll be tough going and too close to call.
I have seen Bosnia a few times over this campaign and they are decent team but they are far from a great side. If I was to compare them with Polish team that Ireland played, Poland would be the better of the two. Bosnia are good going forward but defensively are poor. I was watching the game against Cyprus the other day and it was quite clear in my mind that if you have solid defense, you would have a great opportunity to beat them. Cyprus were below average on the night but could have scored more than the 2 they got. I can see the tie being alive right up the very last minute, I think the 2nd leg will be full of goals after what I expect will be tight first leg.
I think that warm fuzzy feeling is that at least we have a decent chance, surely nobody is taking this opposition for granted. 50/50 chance at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Littlest Hobo
Most of our players are playing at a similar level to those guys, the actual club status of some of their players possibly more glamorous but nothing major in it really. As 'star' players go, Dzeko is relatively manageable.
The suspensions to O'Shea and Walters are a real blow for the away leg, another reason why it may have been more beneficial playing at home first. I presume McCarthy is still on thin ice and could miss the second leg with a booking, anybody else? I really think they should have been wiped clean after the group stage ended but not much point complaining about that.
Missing Long and Walters will be huge. Long definitely would be a problem for Spahic who still seems to be central to their defensive structure. In Walters absence it's hard not to imagine Murphy starting.
What Bosnia will do is get on the ball and pin us back, they are an attacking team, it's their strong point and it's what we're not comfortable with - the high intensity attacking that they've employed - just as we saw with Poland, a team we've always struggled against. Keep ball in front of us, such as what Germany do is usually ok for us to deal with.
Not trying to be too dramatic either. they're in the playoff's for a reason too, but if we can come away from Zeljenicar or whatever they call the hovel the ground is in, not behind then I'd be very happy.
Dzeko has got 44 goals in 74 games for them. On paper probably a better side than us but we did well to avoid Ukraine and Sweden. Reasonable draw - main thing is to pray for no further injuries for us and hope the Bosnians have a run like the Irish rugby team.
Dzeko didn't play their last two qualifiers, 2-0 win over Wales, and 3-2 win over Cyprus, although he was an unused sub in both games.
I was thinking there that Dzeko was very poor last season for City and checked and found that his record so far with Roma is poor also (1 in 7).
But he's 6 in 5 for Bosnia this year. Ugh.
Dzeko is a superb player that was not utilised correctly by City, purely because they didn't have to utilise him the way he would want. Similar to Lewandowski, if the team is set up to service him, then he's in his element.
I suppose, in hindsight, Wales weren't all that more impressive in the final analysis than ourselves. The main difference was that they got the bulk of their work done early.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Home Away Home Away Home Away Home Away Home Away Wales Belgium W 1-0 D 0-0 Bosnia D 0-0 L 0-2 Israel D 0-0 W 3-0 Cyprus W 2-1 W 1-0 Andorra W 2-0 W 2-1 Ireland Germany W 1-0 D 1-1 Poland D 1-1 L 1-2 Scotland D 1-1 L 0-1 Georgia W 1-0 W 2-1 Gibraltar W 7-0 W 4-0
The results are actually incredibly similar, only separated by Wales managing to win in Israel wheras we lost in Glasgow. It could definitely be argued that we had a (much?) tougher group also. This is neither here nor there by the way, just thought it was interesting how similar our campaigns were despite the general perception and Wales' meteoric rise in the FIFA Rankings.
which makes it all the better that we got them as first seeds for the wc draw. I watched a lot of their qualifiers this time and their Israel performance stood out ok but apart from their Belgium performances and results (which were similar to ours v Germany as you say) I wasn't overly impressed tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Yeah I saw nearly all their games. There's no doubt they've got their house in order defensively but let's call a spade a spade, it was pretty much a one man show offensively. Good luck to them though, I'm not knocking them for a second.
The Bosnians have picked up alot of yellow cards along the way and quite a few are 1 more from suspension.
I've watched alot of highlights from their qualifying group and they appear very confident in attack, but suspect at the back. Begovic has made a few blunders and their central pairing are not the best.
Their ground is like a mini version of Montenegro's. It's a real dump. But the 12 or so K who can fit in make a lot of noise. In saying that it shouldn't bother us.
Dzeko the giant went off injured in his last club game and was deemed not fully fit to play for Bosnia, unless there was an emergency calling for his introduction, where the need outweighed the risk involved. That sounds rational enough to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
However the concept of having a not-fully-fit player on standby on the subs bench is one which doesn't cut any mustard with the rte panel pundits who take the black and white position that if a player is on the subs bench, that means he is fit to start. And if the coach states that the same player was not fully fit , then he's accused of being a liar or/and talking balderdash.
with same panel also accusing MO'N of leaving out said player from the team against Scotland away when he wasn't even in the squad due to injury!Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Anyone on here going to the away leg?
Dont see a thread on the fans forum
Realise our ticket allocation is tiny - but looking at ways to get there and hopefully just getting a ticket over there
I interpret all that to mean, Bosnia > Wales . Wales = or slightly > Ireland, therefore Bosnia are still > Ireland, which was the gist of my point :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
I was impressed with Bosnia's last 2 performances though I just saw the extended highlights of the game against Wales
Mostly it's only the top teams who are consistantly good in a qual campaign and it would appear that both Bosnia and Belgium had some adjusting issues after their WC Finals. ATM Bosnia look to be back to their best form or close enough.
sorry, thread created - http://foot.ie/threads/205839-Friday...ral-DiscussionQuote:
Originally Posted by back of the net
They don't seem to be clearly indicated, but I went through the squads on the UEFA website and these seem to be the guys one booking away from missing the second leg:Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Spahic (D)
Sunjic (D)
Hadzic (M)
Pjanic (M)
Dzeko (F)
Republic of Ireland
Wilson (D)
Coleman (D)
McCarthy (M)
Hoolahan (M)
Some really important players on both sides. Besic got a straight red against Andorra but they have played two qualifiers since then so presumably he's available again.
He's suspended for the first leg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_E...ffs#DisciplineQuote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Details released by the FAI.
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Originally Posted by FAI
Oh for a score draw in Sarajevo with Dzeko picking up a booking!
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by backtowalsall
Hope? Let me tell you something, my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane. It's got no use supporting Ireland. You'd better get used to that idea.
Having hope is normal but having high hopes can be a dangerous thing.
Yes, we have to distinguish between hope and expectation. My football supporter's life has been built on hope but seldom on high hopes and virtually never on expectation.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
it's the hope that kills you
to paraphrase high fidelity, "did I watch football because I was miserable, or was I miserable because I watched football"
“They say a person needs just three things to be truly happy in this world: someone to love, something to do, and something to hope for.”Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
― Tom Bodett
"They say the world is round"
The end.
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