Agreed on main sponsorships, that's codology of the highest order. Gates, season tickets etc can be estimated, a poor run can lead to poor gates, but agree, depending on a sponsor to get through a season is madness.
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Agreed on main sponsorships, that's codology of the highest order. Gates, season tickets etc can be estimated, a poor run can lead to poor gates, but agree, depending on a sponsor to get through a season is madness.
In all seriousness, how much can clubs really get from a main sponsor anymore?
€10,000? €20,000? €50,000?
It's not as if companies see the LOI as a huge chance for marketing to a wide audience. I'd guess only Rovers have a chance of getting any sort of substantial sponsorship and even with that, how many weeks wages would it cover? Not many I'd guess.
Sam, can I say from here in Russia. The only non-government main sponsors are putting in low-low 6figure sums for club in the Premier. 1 very prominent 1st Division club is getting $45,000 for the season from a private company, this is a club which will average multiples of what most Irish clubs get through the turnstile and be on tv weekly.
All budgeting is to a large extent estimation but it can be broken down and justifiedQuote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
- sponsors/commitments already agreed versus expectation
- crowds/ merchandise expectation (and basis on which the figure was arrived at)
- Rent (Income or expenditure) and whether this is actual or estimated (basis for estimation)
Unless there was a 90% chance of a sponsor coming on board very soon after it should have no basis for inclusion in a budget projection. Similarly figures should not be accepted without a real chance of achievement. Anyone in Prem Div (with the exception of possibly Shams and promoted sides) that predicted increased or even steady gates (on previous season) in current financial envoirnment should have been questioned about how this was achievable.
Difficult to allow for unexpected (contracted sponsor collapse etc) but in the current climate it is better to err on the side of caution.
From what I'm lead to believe Monaghan 'budgeted' for far more in Sponsorship than Pats bring in, and Nissan is a nice sponsor for Pats to have
Mons obviously had a gentleman's agreement with somebody but it ended up going tits up.
Its a shame to see this happening year on year. Since teh FAI took over the running of the league its been nothing but money problems galore. This licencing committee is obviously not qualified enough. Take last season for example, Galway didnt get a licence and then where allowed compete in the Premier Division.
Ridiculous if true. And as marinobohs said, clubs should be erring on the side of caution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Can anyone tell me how much registration fees were before the FAI took charge of the league? Have they always been around €19000?
The Clonakilty Pudding deal is the highest in Cork Citys history - at least the highest we'll actually receive after the non paid Nissan dealQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy
Citys*Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
(*All three clubs from Cork that have used the name City)
yawnQuote:
Originally Posted by Sean South
can we not use this thread for petty point scoring
I agree. Go back to Limerick ye fool.
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Originally Posted by El-Pietro
How many times does it have to be pointed out that Sean South (as in the foot.ie poster) is not from LimerickQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I don't want to speak for Nigel but I'm fairly certain he was being facetious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Market's Field
Zing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Market's Field
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Originally Posted by Market's Field
Still holding on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_SRFC
Have I missed it?
Can Monaghan fans explain why their players found out that the club was pulling out of the LoI through social media?
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat itQuote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Maybev by the time the third player was rang it was on twitter or maybe someone was uncontactable , maybe a player had no phone , it was not the ideal way to find out but in the overall picture I don't really care as the club I followed for 25 years no longer exists and right now I feel sick as ........Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
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Originally Posted by passerrby
Maybe until ye were 100% sure everyone knew ye shouldn't have put it on twitter not that hard now is it? i
In that much of a rush to let everyone know the good news was it?
The club never tweeted anything, it came from one of the first people to be informed I'm told
would explain why mons never changed their yellow jersey...remember raising this question before on this forum and was told that they were waitin confirmation on the main sponsor of mons jersey!Quote:
Originally Posted by Quayman
http://www.braywanderers.ie/typo3tem...205f030dc9.jpg
Bray, doing their level best to advertise their club and attract a few more supporters...
Nice sign in fairness. Hopefully it helps to attract a few more in the gates. Is it just the one up or all along the street?
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Originally Posted by Jofspring
I think i can see another one a bit further down that path anyway.
No such thing. Either there is an agreement or there isn't, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Was there no way they could have hung on until the end of the season?
Bit like having tax clearance certificate or not on deadline day ? Think there should be some flexibility around deadlines, although must be exrcised with care.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
The whole world and his dog having a go at MUFC on MNS now. FAI , PFAI and Roddy Collins having discussion at the moment.
Fran Gavin was doing his best to try and put positive spin on the league rather than discuss why clubs are struggling year in year out. He said next season will be 12 team league, and they cant change anything over 1 season but has to be planned 2 seasons in advanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Can't help but feel Gavin was burying his head in the sand over clubs struggling. He stated any clubs problems were not surmountable, well if clubs are to be believed, its worse than he would have us believe
Aaron, of the 3 people speaking he made the most sense, kept to a strict agenda and spoke well. Stephen McGuinness' main point seemed to be -"I'm so important that they should have come to me and I'd have fixed it." Roddy was up and down, but the very end part he was dead right - link clubs and local councils. The PFAI were denied a grandstand, the LOI do seem to have tried, FAI too, but the club were pragmatic (Mon people usually are) and rather than letting the debts build, they got out. Great admiration for Mons in this regard and they will come again.
Was there a change of management of mons since the start of the season? If not, the people that let the situation get to where it was, shouldn't get admiration for pulling the plug midseason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Agree with this, although I'd expect him to focus on the positives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron
The question I would have asked them is this:
Why did you give Monaghan a licence when they didn't have a title sponsor ?
The FAI washing thier hands of blame stinks to the high heavens to be honest, MNS last night turned into some sort of witchunt against the people who have kept the soccer club going. I realise that the club itself is the main culprit - but it was disapointing they were not able to defend themselves on TV last night.
McGuinness going on about text messages was farily audacious was well - he has a short memory.
Very disapointed with Moloney as well - let the 3 of them off Scott free - especially Gavin.
Mons not having a rep there looked bad IMO. It was like they knew they were in the wrong pulling out and didn't want to face the music. Roddy's perspective was interesting. If what he is saying is true, then the players wages wasn't an issue as he feels that the higher earners could have found other clubs without a problem. He also seemed a bit peeved with Fran's notion that Mons would be welcome back in the league when they were back on their feet and I would agree with him if I am honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
As bad as Galway were last year getting hidings left, right and center, at least they fulfilled their fixtures. Mons p*ssed on this league and the other 11 clubs by their actions. They have put other clubs under pressure financially by their actions. I know Mons fans will be annoyed with me for saying that, and I'm sorry you've lost your club, but the people who are running Mons should have nothing to do with a LOI club again. And Gavin saying that they will be welcomed back in the league again sticks in the craw.
Didn't Con Murphy say that they'd asked Monaghan to get someone to speak on their behalf but they didn't send anyone? It's their own problem in that case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Not absolving Mons from blame by any means - but painting them as the ONLY culprit is wrong IMO.
In fairness, what defence would MUFC have had? "The FAI shouldn't have accepted our budget"? The rest of the league can blame licencing failing, again, but I don't see how MUFC can hide behind it, or the FAI.
I agree that the FAI are at fault for giving them a license when their budget was unrealistic, but the FAI can't run all 20 clubs for them either. Clubs are responsible for running themselves properly and no one else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid