Eligibility Rules, Okay

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Except was replying to our correspondent from Loch Garman, which is relevant to this debate, whether you like it or not.

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Merely making the point that plenty of people identify as being British & Irish - myself included.

If it wasn't for the fact that people born in Northern Ireland have Dual Nationality, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. I suspect that subtle point is lost on you.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

According to Bluffy's da, Shane "loved" playing for Northern Ireland - and Worthington is a "top man".

At least he was flushed out in the end. Ditto McClean.

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Aye, Shane Duffy "loved" it that much that he opted instead to play for the FAI. What's relevant about Duffy snr's opinion on Worthington?

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Has anyone, ever??

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Yes, of course.

I give you Alan Kernaghan for starters.

What an absurd question.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

So you are :rolleyes: 'implying' McClean and every SF voter supports/supported the 'PIRA' ???

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No, I'm not.

I am, however, asserting that anyone who supports PSF supports the Provisional movement - that is self evident.

By the way - why do sections of the Celtic support refer to "Provo Pat" (McCourt)? Are they asserting he was in PIRA?

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Yes, that is Armstrong's remit.

That is why I'm not overly enthusiatic about his role. - I certainly don't think he should be bothering players who have made their intentions clear.

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Who should he be bothering?

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

See previous replies to various posts passim.
Most of which you chose to ignore.
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Clinghan did have a choice - contrary to your spurious assertion that he didn't.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Presumably you're excluding members of the RUC who previously participated?
Even if it is 'exclusively nationalist', which it isn't, so what?

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I'm unaware of any member of the RUC representing Antrim, or any other County, at senior level at any GAA code. In fact, members of the RUC were banned from playing Gaelic games. In the case of Brian McCargo, he was asked to leave the GAA after joining the RUC.

Of note, when "Rule 21" was repealed in 2001, the Antrim Board voted against it being repealed.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Irony alert. Presumably you haven't noticed the location of your own home ground and attendant local colour scheme

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I think the irony was lost on you - again!

Our own hoime ground can be entered without even having to set eyes on a pesky Unionist/Loyalist - via the Boucher Road, to be precise. You could enter via the, mixed, Lisburn Road if you wished too....as I do every time I go to a match at the venue.

I noticed the nice green seating at the recent game v the Faroes.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

According to Bluffy's da, Shane "loved" playing for Northern Ireland - and Worthington is a "top man".

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That's not necessarily a bluff though. Perhaps he did enjoy it for certain reasons, but he didn't need to have hated playing for NI to have loved more the notion of playing for Ireland.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

What, if anything, is this saying??

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Definately, the irony is lost on you.

If I ever go to watch my County play GAA at Casement, I think I'll delay going into until after the anthem is played. I'm sure there'll be no objection to me wearing a Northern Ireland shirt either.

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Originally Posted by Predator

Aye, Shane Duffy "loved" it that much that he opted instead to play for the FAI?

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Pity he didn't "opt" earlier.

Maybe his da is an oul bluffer.:D

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

That's not necessarily a bluff though. Perhaps he did enjoy it for certain reasons, but he didn't need to have hated playing for NI to have loved more the notion of playing for Ireland.

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Absolutely.

Just a pity he didn't love the notion of playing for the South more earlier.

We live and learn.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Yes, that is Armstrong's remit.

That is why I'm not overly enthusiatic about his role. - I certainly don't think he should be bothering players who have made their intentions clear.

I notice in his column today in the Sunday Life, that Gerry is questioning why players such as Duffy and McClean didn't switch earlier. It's a very good question. It also sends a message to fence sitters ie. get off the fence, one way or another.

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Nah, the column just displayed Gerry Armstrong's ignorance and hypocrisy for all to see.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Who should he be bothering?

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Players who want to represent Northern Ireland at senior international level - and less wasting time and money on those who don't.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

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Nah, the column just displayed Gerry Armstrong's ignorance and hypocrisy for all to see.

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I agree with you to an extent Mr P - I think there still exists an ignorance of the issues at IFA HQ, amongst some of it's representatives.

I cringed at Gerry's column last week - "it's time for me and James to have a chat".

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Absolutely.

Just a pity he didn't love the notion of playing for the South more earlier.

We live and learn.

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So why the insistence Duffy and his father are liars or bluffers? His father made very clear in that post on OWC that his preference was for his son to be playing for Ireland.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

No, I'm not.

I am, however, asserting that anyone who supports PSF supports the Provisional movement - that is self evident.

By the way - why do sections of the Celtic support refer to "Provo Pat" (McCourt)? Are they asserting he was in PIRA?

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I'd imagine that's more affectionate than malicious and due to something between him being from Derry - a former PIRA stronghold - and maybe some wishing he actually had been a member of the PIRA. A bit daft, certainly, but are we using sections of Celtic's support as a moral standard now?

Nothing justifies referring to McClean as a "provo" simply because he stated he was a Sinn Féin supporter on his Facebook. We all know the abusive and defamatory intent behind such a tag within the context it was used, even if you want to kid yourself that anyone refers to Sinn Féin members and supporters as "provos" in civilised contemporary discourse.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

So why the insistence Duffy and his father are liars or bluffers? His father made very clear in that post on OWC that his preference was for his son to be playing for Ireland.



I'd imagine that's more affectionate than malicious and due to something between him being from Derry - a former PIRA stronghold - and maybe some wishing he actually had been a member of the PIRA. A bit daft, certainly, but are we using sections of Celtic's support as a moral standard now?

Nothing justifies referring to McClean as a "provo" simply because he stated he was a Sinn Féin supporter on his Facebook. We all know the abusive and defamatory intent behind such a tag within the context it was used, even if you want to kid yourself that anyone refers to Sinn Féin members and supporters as "provos" in civilised contemporary discourse.

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His da is certainly a bluffer - as discourse on another forum will confirm.

McCourt is "affectionately" called a "Provo" by sections of the Celtic support, but if a Northern Ireland supporter called him that...well, you know the rest.

You couldn't make it up.

I call any supporter of the Provisional movement ie. PSF/PIRA, a Provo supporter - because that's what they are, funnily enough.

I say that as someone who voted to put the Provos in Government, and to share power with them.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

His da is certainly a bluffer - as discourse on another forum will confirm.

McCourt is "affectionately" called a "Provo" by sections of the Celtic support, but if a Northern Ireland supporter called him that...well, you know the rest.

You couldn't make it up.

I call any supporter of the Provisional movement ie. PSF/PIRA, a Provo supporter - because that's what they are, funnily enough.

I say that as someone who voted to put the Provos in Government, and to share power with them.

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Antagonism is your default setting really isn't it? Quite pathetic.

Except you couldn't be more wrong on that statement, NB

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

His da is certainly a bluffer - as discourse on another forum will confirm.

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Where is the bluff exactly?

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McCourt is "affectionately" called a "Provo" by sections of the Celtic support, but if a Northern Ireland supporter called him that...well, you know the rest.

You couldn't make it up.

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I'd argue it's all about context. You are aware, for example, there'd be a difference between a white man pejoratively calling a black man a "n*gger" and a fellow black man affectionately calling a black man a "n*gger", surely? But just to be clear, I wasn't defending either, which is why I mocked the notion of using sections of Celtic's support as a moral gauge.

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I call any supporter of the Provisional movement ie. PSF/PIRA, a Provo supporter - because that's what they are, funnily enough.

I say that as someone who voted to put the Provos in Government, and to share power with them.

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I've had to read that a few times to make sure I'm reading you right. It's quite a revelation. Does that make you a Provo yourself then?

And if you don't mind my curiosity, what possessed a confirmed unionist to vote for Sinn Féin?