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I dont think the G6 are really planning a breakaway, bottom line is they need the support of the FAI for there to be any chance of success , also i hear there presentation was **** poor with little support financial or otherwise .Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
does anybody see a breakaway surviving without fai support
I don't think they are either, I think the 6 tried to flex their puny muscles at the FAI, got laughed out of the building and will now sit at home nursing their egos. That they are going to be ridiculed for this nonsense was inevitable, and rightly should continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
Jebus,
Can you tell me why you are so set against an AIL?
let me repharase " now Mr turkey why do you dislike christmas"Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
I'm more against a group forming, thinking they are bigger than the league itself (some of the comments by the 6's fans here show that), who try and dictate the way the leagues in two seperate countries should be organised. It just smacks of trying to wrestle back control from the FAI because a few decisions didn't go the 6's way.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
I'm against an AIL because it will favour the teams that are already in the money, and no-one else, it smacks of trying to keep the teams on top there for the foreseeable future. I also don't see what the attraction of playing Glentoran is for anyone outside of Northern Ireland, and I also don't understand why people are so eager to bring the meathead section of Linfield supporters down here to meet the knuckledragging section of whatever random Irish club they play.
I also disagree with promoting clubs based solely on their off-field exploits, as GUFC fans can tell you
Some chip on your shoulder!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
An AIL would be great for soccer in this country. There has been no problems with linfield and glentoran fans in the setanta cup. A few dublin vs belfast games would deffo create more of an interest.
Imagine Derry vs Glentoran, Shamrock Rovers vs Linfield, Galway vs Cliftonville, Cork vs Bohs etc. Alot more interesting than UCD vs Longford or Dungannon vs Institute.
Your comment about this being about keeping the biggest at the top is rubbish the biggest and best clubs like cream always rise to the top. Look at any league in europe!
But like ive said before the Fai are in favour, most supporters are in favour, most clubs in both leagues are in favour the only people who are holding this back are the IFA.
To them accepting this goes against their unionist principles even if it means progress for all.
How are the FAI in favour ? What indication have they given
Absolute ******** I'm afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
First off the glamour ties you listed, Derry vs Glentoran I grant you, as I did when I said who outside of Northern Ireland would be interested in Glentoran, Rovers vs Linfield would drag far too much scum to the games, and would blacken the name of both the clubs and the league, Galway vs Cliftonville I presume was a joke, and Cork vs Bohs, don't we already have that?
Really? Because you think part-time clubs can sustain the travel expenses that this would cause? Cream always rises to the top eh? Unless money is your cream then you're living in fantasy land and honestly, I can't think of a way other than putting on a puppet show production to show you that. I presume the 6 would be looking for a vast majority slice of all TV money from this too for the top leaguers? I presume they look at the Premiership as an example of how to keep the status quo in football, keep in mind how close Galway, Derry etc. have nearly gone to the wall in the recent pastQuote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
Yeah it's those darn Unionists again. The FAI may or may not be in favour, it looks like they're not, but who knows with them. Most clubs and supporters though? Bar the 6 who else is pushing for this? The two biggest marque names to the barstoolers in our country (that being Rovers and Shelbourne of course) haven't said they are interested, and without them the thing falls flat on it's face. And this is all assuming that UEFA go against their own plans and allow two seperate countries to form one national league, which they won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
I'm in total agreement with Jebus.
Absolute ******** I'm afraid.
First off the glamour ties you listed, Derry vs Glentoran I grant you, as I did when I said who outside of Northern Ireland would be interested in Glentoran, Rovers vs Linfield would drag far too much scum to the games, and would blacken the name of both the clubs and the league, Galway vs Cliftonville I presume was a joke, and Cork vs Bohs, don't we already have that?
I think most clubs would prefer to play Glentoran in front of several thousand in the oval rather than 3 men and a dog in the "state of the art" Jackman park in Limerick.
Shamrock Rovers fan base is based in South Dublin, Linfield has most of its support base in East Belfast. Who are you to imply that people in these areas are scumbags. Dublin is'nt the city called 'stab city'.
My point was that with an AIL the fixtures would be alot more appealing and the league therefore would create alot more interest as an AI premier league would be made up of the bigger clubs eventually. Maybe this is what you are afraid of?
Really? Because you think part-time clubs can sustain the travel expenses that this would cause?
Well if any club cant afford the €20 extra per trip it would cost in petrol take a coach an extra few miles, they should do the decent thing an join a junior league now!
Cream always rises to the top eh? Unless money is your cream then you're living in fantasy land and honestly, I can't think of a way other than putting on a puppet show production to show you that.
Did I mention money? And you are calling me a muppet:eek:
I presume the 6 would be looking for a vast majority slice of all TV money from this too for the top leaguers?
Why don't you ask the clubs all im saying is an AI league would be great for domestic football in ireland.
I presume they look at the Premiership as an example of how to keep the status quo in football, keep in mind how close Galway, Derry etc. have nearly gone to the wall in the recent past
Again you would be better advises to ask them, all i am saying is an AI league would be great for domestic football in Ireland.
I'm in favour of both an AIL and the wage cap. If I had to pick one it'd be the wage cap.
I think you just called yourself that champ. Anyway given the level of nonsense spewing at the moment I think I can safely say that your endorsement of this league has firmly killed any counterargument that pro-AIL fans could ever muster, I raise a glass in saluteQuote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
please explain how an All-Ireland league would benefit a club who are now a mid-table First division team.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
Bear in mind these clubs are as much a part of domestic football in Ireland as any of the G6, even if they don't have the same finances or facilities.
Im talking about domestic football as a whole. I never mentioned a "mid table First division team".Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
Do you think that an All-Ireland league will benefit first division clubs without much money?
If the top half of the premier enters an AIL, the bottom half (Derry, Galway, Bray, UCD, Waterford and Longford) would be playing in the first division. This would improve the standard of football and support down there.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
You really see Derry playing in the first division if an All Ireland League was created?Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
I dont think it will disadvantage 1st division clubs. You need to look at the bigger picture.
An AI premier league with clubs like
Bohs
Rovers
Pats
Linfield
Glentoran
Cork
Galway
Waterford
Cliftonville
Derry
Drogheda
could be capable of getting a team to the Champions league eventually IMO such would be the competition between them all.
I apoligise if this inconveniences some of the smaller clubs. (I dont think it would)
We'd have more right to be there than Galway and Waterford and if we're going on recent league position then Derry too.
but then some of what is now the first division would be moved to a new division? Division 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
Nobody seems to be clear on how the league would be structured. Everybody seems to focus on the "exciting" top division, but not the rest.
As it stands, I'd see little or no benefit for any club who wouldn't be included in the top division from the very start.
I'd see a lot of the best players leaving any of the clubs that just missed the cut, moving to clubs in the top division.
I'd guess that TV rights would be divided favourably towards the top division clubs.
All of this would, in my opinion, lower the standard of every division except the top division.
But I'm guessing we'll never know. I can't see the FAI and IFA agreeing on this given there are two separate national teams, and I can't see it going ahead without the approval of the FAI and IFA.