Cascarino on O'Leary: "I just don't like him"

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03/08/2006, 2:24 PM
NeilMcD

Leeds have won 3 Leagues in Total. This is beaten by Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton, Aston Villa, Sunderland,

and equalled by Chelsea, Hudersfield, Wolves, Newcastle.

They have also spent 30 years outside the top tier since 1920. They have finished in the top 6 of the top flight about 15 times. At least 10 of these times came during the Don Revie era of the late 60s and 70s. 4 of them came During the O leary era. So in that context O leary brought them closer to the Revie era than any other manager on a consistant basis. Wilkinson did it for a two seasons.

Leeds are not a club that belongs in the top 6 of English football. Don Revie took them to that level where they had never been before on any sort of consistant basis. Since then Wilkinson has won a League with them but they have spent large parts of their history in the 2nd tier of English football. O Leary had them finishing 4th, 3rd, 4th and 5th.
03/08/2006, 2:26 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Name me 6 bigger clubs than Leeds. Historically speaking. I can only think of Liverpool, Everton and Man Utd. Probably Arsenal. At a push leeds. No bodody else would be bigger.

This does not make sense, Leeds are bigger than Leeds.
03/08/2006, 2:44 PM
wws

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

This does not make sense, Leeds are bigger than Leeds.

That makes absolutely no sense.
03/08/2006, 3:03 PM
NeilMcD

He says at a push leeds. So by that logic at a push leeds are bigger than Leeds. Funny that you concentrated on the short thread which is easier to understand.
03/08/2006, 3:25 PM
Dodge

I've edited it for pedants.
03/08/2006, 3:36 PM
wws

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

He says at a push leeds. So by that logic at a push leeds are bigger than Leeds. Funny that you concentrated on the short thread which is easier to understand.

yeah , that is Funny!

hahah
03/08/2006, 3:40 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by Dodge

I've edited it for pedants.

You can edit it all you like its still wrong.
03/08/2006, 3:49 PM
wws

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Originally Posted by Dodge

I've edited it for pedants.

classic post dodge

reminiscient of your earlier work.....did you mean to say "peanuts" though?
03/08/2006, 3:56 PM
Emmet

Still no explanation as to why O'Leary, the manager, who spent �120 Million won nothing.
03/08/2006, 4:01 PM
NeilMcD

Cause the explanation to that was that he was not good enough or the team was not good enough to win anything simple as that. I never said he was a great manager. It is possible to have a more complex view of a guy or a manager. Its not so straight forward as O Leary all good and Cascarino all bad. What is not true is that he did a terrible job with them.

Firstly he achieved a consistancy with Leeds that only Don Revie has beaten

Secondly he did not chose the fees for the players and a lot of that was down to Risdale. So the money allegation is bogus. He identified Rio Ferdinand as a player, they paid 18m and got 30 m for him. The lived beyon their means for a few years and Risdale was the man at fault of that. O Leary got them performing consistanly in the league and was doing a good job, not his fault that the whole thing was based on a lie that Leeds had the money in the first place.
03/08/2006, 4:04 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by wws

Leeds not a natural top 6 English team??!?

your having a laugh - one of the biggest English cities
and until O Leary rode them rock solid their pedigree and standing in the game had few peers

I think you are having a laugh as this post has been shown to be one of the most ignorant posts to be posted on this thread.
03/08/2006, 4:09 PM
wws

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I think you are having a laugh as this post has been shown to be one of the most ignorant posts to be posted on this thread.

If you don't understand the place Leeds have in the greater context of English Football than I give up. One of Englands top six footballing cities - and by extension clubs. Your failure to grasp even the slightest link between O Leary's tenure and their subsequent slide is further proof that the ignorance on this topic is displayed mostly by your good self.
03/08/2006, 4:10 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I think you are having a laugh as this post has been shown to be one of the most ignorant posts to be posted on this thread.

no it hasn't. Leeds (and surroundings) is the 4th biggest metropolitan area in England and only 5 clubs have won more league titles. LOL if you don't get the ridden rock solid reference.
03/08/2006, 4:15 PM
Emmet

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Cause the explanation to that was that he was not good enough or the team was not good enough to win anything simple as that. I never said he was a great manager. It is possible to have a more complex view of a guy or a manager. Its not so straight forward as O Leary all good and Cascarino all bad. What is not true is that he did a terrible job with them.

Firstly he achieved a consistancy with Leeds that only Don Revie has beaten

Secondly he did not chose the fees for the players and a lot of that was down to Risdale. So the money allegation is bogus. He identified Rio Ferdinand as a player, they paid 18m and got 30 m for him. The lived beyon their means for a few years and Risdale was the man at fault of that. O Leary got them performing consistanly in the league and was doing a good job, not his fault that the whole thing was based on a lie that Leeds had the money in the first place.

Do you really think �120 Million just to achieve consistancy is good value for money though?
03/08/2006, 4:18 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by Emmet

Do you really think �120 Million just to achieve consistancy is good value for money though?

I just managers on their achievements as money is not not always a good barometer as a lot of that was down to the poor negotians of Risdale. One classic example was the Seth Johnson case were Johnson was on 8,000 grand a week and Risdale offered a huge amount and then Johnson said he would sleep on it and Risdale rang the next day and doubled it again. This sort of poor managing of the finances was no O Learys fault, he did not judge the fee for the players. That wad down to Risdale.
03/08/2006, 4:22 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by Dodge

no it hasn't. Leeds (and surroundings) is the 4th biggest metropolitan area in England and only 5 clubs have won more league titles. LOL if you don't get the ridden rock solid reference.

I never disputed the actually size of the city, my origigal point is that you can hardly say leeds belong in the top 6 considering they have only done that 12 times before O Leary and 10 of those were the Revie era that I mentioned. You are picking your own stats to back up your argument I used stats that did not back up my argument and ones that did to give a fuller truer picture. They have only finished in the top 6 of English football about 16 times in over a hundred years of League football. So how can anyone say they belong in the top 6 of English football is beyond me. If you take the Revie era out of it they are largely a club that spends its time yo yoing between the top tier and 2nd tier. If fact they have spent twice as much time in the 2nd tier as that they have in the top 6 of English football.
03/08/2006, 4:26 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by wws

If you don't understand the place Leeds have in the greater context of English Football than I give up. One of Englands top six footballing cities - and by extension clubs. Your failure to grasp even the slightest link between O Leary's tenure and their subsequent slide is further proof that the ignorance on this topic is displayed mostly by your good self.

I have just proved to you that they have spent more time in the 2nd tier of English football that in the top 6, in fact twice as much time. So where do you get calling me igrnorant as the facts suggest they are not a top six club. They may be in a big city and a large hinterland but they do not belong in the top 6 by right. Also O Leary has got them in the top 6 more times than any other manager other than Revie they are all facts. I have also pointed out that O Leary did not decide the fees for the players that was decided by Risdale and the selling club. O Leary just identifed the players he wanted and coached the team.
03/08/2006, 4:28 PM
NeilMcD

Quote:

Originally Posted by wws

If you don't understand the place Leeds have in the greater context of English Football than I give up. One of Englands top six footballing cities - and by extension clubs. Your failure to grasp even the slightest link between O Leary's tenure and their subsequent slide is further proof that the ignorance on this topic is displayed mostly by your good self.

Again please attack the post not the poster.
03/08/2006, 4:35 PM
wws

Leeds are a top English Club and City for football. anyone in English football will tell you that even their greatest rivals.

O Leary walked out on his country to go on holidays rather than play in the only senior tournament that Ireland have ever won.
03/08/2006, 4:38 PM
NeilMcD

[QUOTE=wws]Leeds are a top English Club and City for football. anyone in English football will tell you that even their greatest rivals.

O Leary walked out on his country to go on holidays rather than play in the only senior tournament that Ireland have ever won.[/QUO

I would rather use the facts of the situation like league records to back up my argument but each to their own I suppose.

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