Pochettino will be back in a job soon, so maybe he’ll get a move there.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
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Pochettino will be back in a job soon, so maybe he’ll get a move there.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
So still time to switch to us if he turns out to be rubbish :p
Early days for the lad yet, it is a big ask to start for a top club as a striker when you have pretty much no first team experience, a defender is a bit different, maybe there is other stuff going on, but it is a big ask, if he played badly Mourinho would be blamed, he does not need to take that risk.
An alternative view - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a9284411.html
Not on the bench again. Go on loan mate
John Delaney could sort out a loan but there may be repercussions !Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
With Spurs really struggling for goals it has to sheer stubbornness of Mourinho not to even have a young striker on the bench, you would think he would at least try it when they dont have any other options
Nothing to lose by bringing him in at this stage, they badly need freshening up. Three PL blanks in a row, four in the last five. They were fairly free scoring prior to that to be fair.
Mourinho would not want a young fella to do well . Mourinho likes to buy . Its the Mourinho way .
Hear this repeatedly but what other managers are playing seventeen year olds regularly, or at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
United play Greenwood regularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Only very recently and he's 18. Anybody else?
Harvey Elliott is getting more game tome at Liverpool at 16. As is Curtis Jones at 18. As was Trent at 18.
United - Ben Williams and Mason Greenwood currently.
Chelsea - Hudson Odoi at 18 (now 19)
Phil Foden at 17/18 for City...
To me, Troy should at least be getting some minutes in the first team in the cup. He’s at least as ready as Adam Idah was.
The injury crisis and lack of depth has also made the situation much more obvious... if he was at City or Chelsea or Arsenal or Liverpool, we wouldn’t be expecting as much, but they literally don’t have a fit striker in their squad. Meanwhile, they won’t give Troy a few minutes to see if he sinks or swims...
Mourinho probably feels giving any young players he gave a chance to at Utd was a mistake.
This is Mourinho we are talking about here .
In my mind, he’s a comparable talent to Jadon Sancho who played 12 games in his age 17 season for Dortmund in the league and then was a regular at 18.
Those talents don’t come around for regularly but when they do, under good management they come to the fore. Raheem Sterling breaking into Liverpool at 17 is another example...
The former two got game time in competitions Klopp was basically trying to get knocked out of, or at least he wasn't concerned if they did. Parrott was unfortunate that Spurs couldn't progress further in the League Cup but he did get an opportunity in that competition. Trent was 18 you say, still older than Parrott.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Williams is 20. I'd accept Solskjaer looks very willing to give youth a chance, he's pretty obsessed with it being 'the United way', while it's also been kind of circumstantial. The Europa League provided a useful platform to bed in the likes of Greenwood and some others, not sure how much game time they would have got if United were in the CL.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Not meaning to be pedantic but that's still older than Parrott, and obviously Chelsea have had to deal with that transfer embargo.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Notoriously underused though, even now and he's nearly 20. If he was playing under Mourinho the knives would be out that he's killing his career. Guardiola's record of bringing young City players through is fairly abysmal.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth in this. I was very disappointed he wasn't on the bench against Middlesbrough anyway. The Spurs bench is pretty strong looking though, hard to dislodge established senior pros. It is a bit disappointing with the lack of a recognised number nine I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
I've no issue there, I just think the narrative that Mourinho doesn't trust young players is a bit overstated, in the context of what other managers and clubs are doing.
It really is a pity at times to see how money is ruining the game
When Robbie Keane was 17 (1997/98 season :eek:), if clubs had an injury crisis, they still generally had to turn to their youth setup. Often that would mean a slump in form, but sometimes you'd uncover a gem of a player, who'd benefit from the game time. (Rashford is probably the only recent example I can think of?) Mol an óige agus tiochfaidh sé, as they say. Now by doing that, you risk your board not splashing out €25m on yet another random prospect from a second-tier European league.
Everyones saying it's money or its mourinho or its this and that anything but oh hold on maybe he's just not good enough. Yet potentially. This forum always seems to take the side of anything else. It's like a mother with their favourite child. Reminds me of that documentary "Don't fcuk with cats"
'Everyones' not saying that at all.
Potential, but not ready, says Jose - https://www.the42.ie/mourinho-troy-p...73744-Jan2020/
https://punditarena.com/football/ois...-troy-parrott/Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Someone else not looking for excuses.
Jose's just using him to force Levy into paying for a striker. It's a real shame that Troy has become stuck in this situation, but hopefully his contract situation allows him to force a move to a club with a better approach to youth players.
It's also possible Levy has told him not to play Parrott until he signs a new deal. when mourinho said 'the next step for Parrott is signing a new contract' is certainly didn't feel quite right to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
If he makes it clear he won't be signing a new contract they'll move him on quickly enough, they won't want to lose him for next to nothing in a year's time.
That's what I hope will happen but I fear they'll manage to bully/bribe him into signing a contract.
It's was reported around a week ago that he's likely to sign that contract soon. It is possible that Parrott actually isn't ready just yet, and that this is pretty obvious to those who watch him training with senior pros every day. Whatever about the bogeyman Mourinho, Pochettino didn't feel he was ready either.
Watching Martinelli (18) for Arsenal tonight I wonder would he have got a sniff if he was at Spurs.
He's a world class 17 year old. However, big difference between a wc 17 year old and a world class 19/20 year old.
Yes he has bossed the underage players of some of the biggest clubs in the world and has been very good for the u21s. However, the adult game is a different beast, especially in the premier league.
I think he will get more game time later in the season, if Spurs are not likely to get top 4. Mourinho has a free hit to test him for next season and the fans will be mad to see him. If Spurs are chasing top 4, then not a hope will he play again.
to be fair to jose he has now been very clear that he has no intention of playing him, so its not like he is offerimg false hope or the like
IMO The ball is in the player and his agents hands to push for a loan move.
Hes seen the light.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Seriously, what are you on about now?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Have I ever claimed that Parrott is ready? Obviously I hope he is but I've basically been defending Mourinho's position for weeks.
Jack Byrne gets in on the discussion - https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020...it-jack-byrne/
A lot of people really slagging Mourinho here but he might just want to protect Troy. If Troy steps in right now as a perceived like-for-like replacement for Kane, and it doesn't work out -- there's always that fear he could take a public battering and that could be a real step backward.
Very few 17 year olds make a breakthrough at this level. We want to see him play NOW but there may be some benefit in letting him simply train with top players on a regular basis, with first team men's football played in low pressure/low stakes situations, along with youth team and reserve outings.
Spurs know they have a real asset in Parrott and want to protect him, set him up to succeed. I would LOVE to see him play immediately and show his quality RIGHT NOW...but I realize the chances of that happening are quite low. Hopefully Spurs manage him properly because the raw ingredients are obviously there for us to have a real star on our hands.
No Parrott or Idah in todays game. I do think Idah not making the squad in last couple games is a bit harsh.
Post match comments from Jose last night - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51115606
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"We are in a situation when I have to think, think, think," said Mourinho.
"I look to bench and we don't have attacking players. I had to take off Erik Lamela because of fatigue but we showed an incredible reaction to score a second goal.
"When Chelsea want to win they bring on Michy Batshuayi. When Manchester City want to change Gabriel Jesus they bring in Sergio Aguero.
"We are so, so unlucky with injuries. We get back Hugo Lloris and we lose Harry Winks. It's incredible."
Asked whether Parrott is ready to play in the FA Cup on Saturday, Mourinho replied: "He is ready to work with us every day, like he's doing. He trains with the group.
"After training he has a special programme of individual development of his qualities as a striker and this club takes very good care of the players.
"If he has to play with us he will do his best, he will show his good qualities, he will show his frailties because in this moment he is a 17-year-old kid with frailties in his game.
"It's possible that he is selected for the game.”
Oh Jose, you tease! I would really appreciate some clarification so I won’t have to sit through 90 minutes of the putrid football you have spurs playing at the moment to no avail!
17 teen year olds probably don’t know the Mourinho anti-football enough to be giving the chance . Young fellas when they play football rarely dream of playing anti-football.
That'll be the specialized training to turn a striker into a defensive minded full backQuote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
The Mourinho anti-football brain wash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Not even on bench
That is no surprise and to be fair jose has been more than clear that troy parrot will not be playing