Kerr is going to be on Prime Time talking about Trap now in a minute
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Kerr is going to be on Prime Time talking about Trap now in a minute
Any summary?
traps sister is ill hence the press conference being called off. thats what i just heard. also no fai and trap meeting plannedQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
After watching that O'Donoghue interview with Trap coupled with the cancelling of the press conference and with the rumours that have been apparently coming from trusted sources within the FAI (according to Brian Kerr) I feel his card could be marked.
He didn't seem to claim with any great certainty in the interview that he'd be sticking around for the foreseeable future. Just a hunch.
I have used the 'my dog is sick I have to go home to look after her' excuse a few times, always works a charm.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
But my sister? maybe if she was on her deathbed.
Remember guys if Trap goes so does the lovely Manuela?
His sister is a nun AFAIR, she gave him the vial of holy water he carries with him to gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Holy smokes Tets!
What does Trap do with that holy water? sprinkle it on the players to sort out the few ball playing vampires amongst the squad?
who are you to decide what trap thinks is more important between attending a sick family member and a press conference where he will face the same old questions? reported this morning that she is in hospital.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
ridiculous post
TOD's questioning of Trap is becoming tiresome, he's looking for trouble and like George Hamilton too, they're egging the cake too much. The sad thing is that there will be precious little objectivity in affairs now. I thought Trap and the players spoke well, and that he (Trap) just didn't want to answer anything other than questions about football. Fair enough.
.....anyway the truth as usual is somewhere in between and there are valid arguments on both sides of the divide:
Pros:
Qualification and a near qualification in his two tournaments
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2 campaigns unbeaten away run.
Cons
Doesn't pick the players whom many believe should be in the team
Poor communication apparently with some players
Style of play, especially at home, not entertaining
Doesn't travel to see players
Terrible Poland tournament and subsequent German result
Alienating a lot of fans (see above)
Personally, I will still choose Pros over Cons because (a) Dunphy is on the other side and (b)change does not necessarily = improvement. I have seen 20+ managers come and go at Hillsboro and heard the same arguments. 6 improved things. 14 did not. That is not of course a valid argument not to change managers but the far away hills are always green. The player who isn't playing would make things better. The manager who isn't there would turn things round. Sometimes they do. More often than not they don't.
I'd say he's here until the end of this campaign so let's accept that and get on with it. He is now selecting McCarthy/Coleman/Wilson/McLean so that alleviates some of the criticism. Long I wouldn't select ahead of either Keane or Walters so that is an arguable one but I would pick him ahead of Cox but....this just leaves us Clarke (poor when he played for us and not exactly a world beater) and Hoolahan. I have been impressed by the latter when I have seen him play but the manager doesn't pick him because he doesn't suit his system. C'est la guerre.
Football is all about opinions but I think the anti-Trapp brigade should not equate not supporting Trapp with not supporting the team. There will be lots of vacant seats in the forthcoming games but the team/country is a separate entity to the manager and as my little nephew used to say "Stand up for the poison greens" even if it contains Simon Cox or ANdy Keogh, the current bete-noirs of the Trapp era.
Same old same old Stut, you could prob right a summary of what he said without watching it, wasn't whining to muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Good post Owls Fan, except in my case the entertainment factor is a red herring - though if it's keeping thousands away I think it's a factor the FAI should have in mind.
In my case the issue of style of play is more that it's a very high risk style of football. Call me naive but I think you're more likely to win games when you have more of the ball and you actually tackle opponents. A bad defeat was pending before the Euros. Despite the run of clean sheets I was alarmed by the amount of chances we were shipping and how even third-tier teams found us easy to play against.
A friend of mine wrote an academic paper (seriously!) on when is the best time to sack a football manager. It takes into account all kinds of data such as the SWFC numbers you cite above. I must ask him what his "model" tells about this situation!
Here it is:
http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/files/di...DP_2011_24.pdf
FAI management meeting right now, statement expected very soon. This according to RTE journos on Twitter.
I agree that him presiding over a morning-after press conference would be as pointless/frustrating as any other press conference and the agenda most probably repetitive. But this is part of his job and a part which he does not do as well he could, by utilizing the translator to understand and answer questions asked and more especially at this present time. Maybe his sister is very sick, maybe not, I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Trap was quoted as saying he is going back early on Wed morn to attend a meeting in Italy and to visit his sister in hospital. That indicates that attending the meeting has some proportional value to his reasons for leaving early. So yeah, I am skeptical, but I'll keep an open mind.
I suspect it was obviously decided that Trap not do the usual morning after press conference because the FAI were meeting later on in the day to discuss his future.
Edit,
confirmed this morning, for the gullible few who swallowed wholesale, the sentimentality of the sick sister excuse for not doing the press conference.
'The Trapattoni camp suspected the worst when the FAI on Tuesday evening “postponed” his normal day-after press conference, originally scheduled for Dublin last night. It had been suggested Trapattoni had to return to Italy earlier than anticipated in order to visit his sick sister, Sister Romilde. Sources close to Trapattoni confirmed last night, however, that his sister has been ill for some months now but that there had been no emergency about her condition in recent days.'
really? because i count six competitive defeats in 2.3 campaigns, more like it. and if fifa rankings are important to you, wait til the next ones come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
The circus continues. Terrible management. Qualifying hopes finished now. Don't see much benefit giving him a big pay out now if the FAI can't afford. Might as well leave the contract run out until summer '14. Abysmal
I don't think our qualification hopes are finished with that draw, it's a big setback, and if we'd lost I would agree with you about it being curtains. Assuming we beat Kazakhstan and the Faeroes at home (and if we can't we don't deserve to be in Brazil) then I think beating Sweden at home and getting a point in Vienna will give us a good chance of finishing 2nd, I'm a little worried that our group will have the "worst second place" team so we might miss out on the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
I think sacking Trap now would be silly.
Tonight's performance was a massive improvement,
We tired in second half and let them back in it but look at all the positives: Walters, McClean, Long, Sammon, Coleman, McCarthy all played very well and we played real football as opposed to hoofball.
We dropped off and they cam back into it but we were definitely the better team overall.
I think we were unlucky.
They were running around with no plan and didn't attempt to play football! The better team?!
I can't understand the mentality of keeping Trap, what are the long term benifits?
He clearly does not think the Irish are capable of getting the ball down and playing it on the deck, he has no interest in blooding the younger lads that will do this.... e.g. Wes Houlihan & James McCarthy only got his chance because of an injury!!!
Its a joke, the man is clearly holding us back, out you go and bring on the younger lads
Can we change the name of this thread to "Tap out" and talk UFC instead?
No idea, as ever what Crosby's on about...
Normally agree with your posts, but not unlucky in the 2nd.half, more naive/stupid. We let them back into it. Bad by the players, never mind Trap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
And Sammon? 'God love him', but yer man really is a fish out of water...
I think the dude smokes a lot, and I mean A LOT, of weed...Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Whatever it is, i like it, he always grabs my attention!
The table shows:Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Austria 8
Swden 8
Ireland 8
With half the campaign to go.
Panic over.
Yes, fantastic. From someone who claimed we'd take points from Germany...
It also show Germany in first place and what it doesn't show is the fact that whoever finishes second currently isn't going to the play offs.
Aye, panic over.
Not quite the full story, there. You've omitted some crucial details.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
The first 'e' in Sweden for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
SWE has a game in hand.
True didn't realise that Sweden and Austria still had to play each other twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Ralf Rangnick
Thomas Schaff
Lucien Favre
Co Adriannse
Christoph Daum
Thomas Tucher
Mirko Slomka
They are what, exactly?
I thought Sammon did exactly what was asked of him and couldn't fault him. h exceeded my expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
I think the point I was trying to make was that sacking Trap would disrupt the whole group. The players do seem very loyal to him and together as a group.
I did think we played well and were the better team. I think we got tired because we were jumping into every tackle for the first hour no holds barred.
Technically the Austrians were better than us and finally got the equaliser.
But we were the better team. We hit the post and nearly got an OG in the second half.
Their first goal was an unforced defensive error.
I thought we played a good mix of football last night, long ball and on the deck and it's much better football than we've played in years.
Should we have put Hoolahan in and left Long on? Of course we should have but I don't think sacking Trap now would do any good and it would possibly have a detrimental effect on some of the players coming through like McClean, McCarthy etc.
Respect your opinion, but unsure if many would agree with keeping Trap?
who would you replace him with?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
He has to go. If we're being realistic then qualification for 2014 no seems to be beyond us so our focus should now shift towards the Euro's in 2016, what we need to do now is start introducing younger players to the squad so that they can gain experience and develop into a more cohesive team so when the 2016 qualifying set begins we're not throwing guys like Sammon in with no international experience or experience of playing with his international team mates and expecting him to lead the line in a pretty high pressure situation (to be fair he did really well considering).
Trap has shown that he's not the man for this job.