Given and penalties

If Gattuso did it on purpose he is a cheat. Therefore the ref was right to give a penalty which he did. Dudek also cheated, however the ref did not punish him, despite the fact that was the refs only job during the shoot out. YOu may not like the word but anybody he purposely breaks the rule is a cheat. Disguising the fact has nothing to do with it.


A murderer is someone who kills somebody regardless of whether they admit it or try to disguise it. A cheat is somebody is knowlingly breaks the rules on purpose.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

If Gattuso did it on purpose he is a cheat. Therefore the ref was right to give a penalty which he did. Dudek also cheated, however the ref did not punish him, despite the fact that was the refs only job during the shoot out. YOu may not like the word but anybody he purposely breaks the rule is a cheat. Disguising the fact has nothing to do with it.


A murderer is someone who kills somebody regardless of whether they admit it or try to disguise it. A cheat is somebody is knowlingly breaks the rules on purpose.

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I am sorry but I don't agree. In my opinion a cheat is someone who tries to hide that they have done something deceitful or broken the rules. However if you disagree with this interpretation that's fine by me but by your definition most people who have played the game have been cheats at some time or other.

NeilMcD, you wouldnt happen to be a milan fan would ya?

Not at all, but I do think they are a good team to watch esp shevchenko and Kaka. But they are serial bottlers. Once against Deportivo is sloppy but to do it again is madness.

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Not at all, but I do think they are a good team to watch esp shevchenko and Kaka. But they are serial bottlers. Once against Deportivo is sloppy but to do it again is madness.

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if that happens again acelotti should get the sack

It's becoming a really bad joke. For the first one (the dummy) Given flung himself to his right and was going the wrong way, for the first taken one he went the wrong way (hit up the middle) and for the last one (following advice from Clinton) he at least waited and went the right way for the first time in about 15 penalties, but couldn't save it :(

ANyone notice he didn't make a save the whole game ? The Israelis were that bad - one of those days. How we didn't collect 3 points I just don't know.

The 3rd attempt at the penalty was very saveable. It was only slightly to Given's right. Close enough to the centre. However you see as it is taken he has taken half a step to his left and by the time he reacts to the direction of the penalty he can't shake out of his leftward momentum fast enough to get it.

It reminded me of Mendieta's penalty in Suwon.

Also, Given needs to take few steps off the line, nobody seems to be cracking down on it so why not take advantage of it. Not that I'm encouraging goalkeepers to cheat of course... :D

He went the right way and got a hand to a Henry penalty against
Arsenal. :eek:

He must have been following the advice I gave him here ;)

I will have to write part two:-
"How to stop the ball slipping through your fingers" :D

i just watched that there tonight, almost!!!! He must have been practicing lately, good man, let's hope he is saving all shots by Monsieur Henry et co in september. good man shay, keep up the practice. :D

Yes, progress. Given went the right way for Henry's penalty. Now, can he keep the "run" going and save one? Fingers crossed.

It was him and Parker that kept Newcastle in the game according to my Newcastle-following mates, Carr wasn't great and once Jenas went off it was backs to the wall stuff

I watched the peno being taken, and said oh no Given is going the right way :confused: :confused: he never does that, they he let it slip through his fingers. Thats the shay I know :D

so not only is one of our greatest goalscorers ever lambasted on this forum also one our greatest if not the greatest goalkeeper we have ever produced too, why do you people bother at all ????? :confused: :confused:

Says it all really. I don't care what anyone says about goalkeepers and penalties, if I get a penalty in a match and I didn't score I'd shoot myself in the testicles. No excuse for a footballer not scoring from a penalty.

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so not only is one of our greatest goalscorers ever lambasted on this forum also one our greatest if not the greatest goalkeeper we have ever produced too, why do you people bother at all ????? :confused: :confused:

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Have to agree, Shay had an excellent game making several top class saves. The penalty was struck with plenty of power right in the corner, I hope he has as good a game when we come to play France

He once made a fantastic penalty save against Bergkamp. Probably one of the best penalty saves I have ever seen, to be honest.

Shay is indeed a brilliant goalkeeper. Best in the premiership bar Cech in my opinion. If he was English that would be stated as common fact. But he is s***e at saving penos. Then again Paddy Kenny is worse - anyone see him against Arsenal in the shootout in the FA Cup last year? Muck.

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anyone see him against Arsenal in the shootout in the FA Cup last year? Muck.

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Fúcking hilarious IMO :D :D

Warnock doesn't keep sub keepers on the bench and it counted against him that time. Kenny was carrying a hip injury and couldn't dive at all to his right, so every Arsenal player shot straight down his right, knowing full well he wasn't going to save it. That game proved nothing about how good Kenny is at saving penalties.