FAI Junior Cup 2009/10

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Originally Posted by Damo

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That is a great post. St Michaels are a top club who only did what they thought was correct. They did exactly what pike did a few years ago against Clonmel Town. Town took their case to Arbitration and also lost. I also heard St Michaels won this appeal emphatically ie Pike were totally wrong in that they broke the rules along the lines it doesnt matter what round. pearso27 posts are also totally on the ball with regard to the situation. What a great prospect, Saints .v. Town in semi final -

Thanks Blinkx.....a bit of clarity in a field of mud..

[So basically Pike lose by forfeit 3-0 and have been slapped on the wrist with a fine to boot.

Who do they forfeit to?
The first team he played against ??

I have heard a rumour that Pike had representation from both a solicitor and a barrister at yesterdays appeal hearing, a bit excessive/expensive if they felt they had done nothing wrong. They(Pike) must've known they were on choppy waters and were clutching at straws.

now heres another question did Colm Carrol play in any rounds of the Munster Junior cup and if so was he illegal here as well


so will the munster junior semi be played on sunday

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Originally Posted by Blackpanther

If thats the case, what grounds had Michaels to appeal the decision, the player in question didnt play against Michaels so what business is it of theirs who played for Pike in previous rounds, surely if Pike were illegal in previous rounds its up to the teams they beat to object within 72hrs if not move on , so explain Michaels reason ?

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This is a genuine question (becasue I do not know the answer) but was the player in question on the card for the St. Michael's game given to the ref that day? If so, the question of him actually playing that day does not arise and is completely irrelevant. The pedantry needs to stop here, chaps - deal in facts or stop making baseless contentions.

Im nearly certain Colm Carroll came on for Pike against St Micheals

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Originally Posted by lfc at heart

now heres another question did Colm Carrol play in any rounds of the Munster Junior cup and if so was he illegal here as well


so will the munster junior semi be played on sunday

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Heard that they were also removed from this competition by the fai

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Originally Posted by Monster

Im nearly certain Colm Carroll came on for Pike against St Micheals

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With the greatest respect, Monster, whether he came on or not, is irrelevant. What is relevant is the issue of whether or not he was named on the card by Pike and thus in their panel for the game. Some people seem to be under the misunderstanding that if Carroll was a sub and didn't play, that he didn't become ineligible by not taking any part in the game. Once a player is on a match card, he is legally/technically part of that game.

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Originally Posted by Damo

With the greatest respect, Monster, whether he came on or not, is irrelevant. What is relevant is the issue of whether or not he was named on the card by Pike and thus in their panel for the game. Some people seem to be under the misunderstanding that if Carroll was a sub and didn't play, that he didn't become ineligible by not taking any part in the game. Once a player is on a match card, he is legally/technically part of that game.

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he came on and scored

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Originally Posted by the dazzler

he came on and scored

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Ya but i think he was legal v st michaels

didn't involvement from pike get ye thrown out of the comp?

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Originally Posted by mulla

didn't involvement from pike get ye thrown out of the comp?

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what kind of post is this

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Originally Posted by trueview6

what kind of post is this

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meant as a reply to thomas72 when he qouted about carew park been thrown out a few yrs back.ok with you?

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Originally Posted by mulla

meant as a reply to thomas72 when he qouted about carew park been thrown out a few yrs back.ok with you?

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in fairness thats wrong mulla i do know pike gave carew hand when they looked for help ie money from clubs coz regional helped also any carew lads ie thomas confirm this

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Originally Posted by the dazzler

in fairness thats wrong mulla i do know pike gave carew hand when they looked for help ie money from clubs coz regional helped also any carew lads ie thomas confirm this

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only sayin the rumour at the time was that westport or whoever got a tip off from people involved with pike,wasn't tryin to stir was just surprised that thomas was on defending pike if that was the case

Yes Colm Carroll came on against St Michaels and also played in earlier rounds of Munster Junior and local competitions and league when illegal, this could open up big problems for Pike going forward if other clubs look into it.

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Originally Posted by saintsfan

That is a great post. St Michaels are a top club who only did what they thought was correct. They did exactly what pike did a few years ago against Clonmel Town. Town took their case to Arbitration and also lost. I also heard St Michaels won this appeal emphatically ie Pike were totally wrong in that they broke the rules along the lines it doesnt matter what round. pearso27 posts are also totally on the ball with regard to the situation. What a great prospect, Saints .v. Town in semi final -

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thats all it is a prospect long long way to go in this saga.

Its a Joke........... If you can't beat every team in ireland your not the best team.

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Originally Posted by mulla

only sayin the rumour at the time was that westport or whoever got a tip off from people involved with pike,wasn't tryin to stir was just surprised that thomas was on defending pike if that was the case

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no no im just saying i know how they feel thats all.

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Originally Posted by Mega Tots

This post sums up exactly whats wrong with all this,ye do not even look at the facts yet your abusing Saint Michaels because Considine is telling all you guys about this letter and that letter,yes Carroll did play in the saints match and not only played but also scored so thats what business it is of Saint Michaels football club,Redcardrory and all theses guys are listening to Considine and believing every word he says and posting here for weeks telling us all there would be no appeal from Saints,then telling us all it would be thrown out,Considine thought he was hilarious sticking his fingers up at the Saint Michaels dug out and being a hero,karma is a terrible thing Declan and he who laughs last laughs longest

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I couldn't comment on whether or not some were being led up the garden path by Connie but you are bang on in saying that those same people are not dealing in "facts." And on the point of some Pike people stating a couple of weeks ago - with a certain smugness if truth by told - that we should "all just wait and see"; what exactly did they think we should have been waiting for? One guy kept telling everyone to wait, as if Pike going through was a foregone conclusion. Tis time to speak up, whoever you are!!!

this is a reall sickner for pike, if any year was their chance to win this comp then this was it, have to say tho that the fai and its ruling in this comp have a grey area that must be cleared up as most years there is problems in junior cup, sure as johnny logan once said, whats another year.

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Originally Posted by Mr Right

End result is Pike are gone... great news for everyone.. except pikeys!! Finally got what ye deserve, from yrs of slagging, goading other clubs about how great ye are and rubbing teams noses in it when ye beat them.. ye are the most hated club in this country, thru no fault but yer own and ye should get no sympathy or reprieve rom this mess... playin an illegal player is against the rules... not the mention the several players yer payin up there!! ye should be thrown outta the Munster junior, and all domestic competions also.

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great result so far for saint michaels but dont think it will end there my dear man.get thrown out of every competition what kind of a clown are you.this has got to do with one competition and not as a pikey but as a limerick man i hope the pikeys win this in about 3months time.

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Originally Posted by Mr Right

Whats disgusting about it???? its an opinionated forum..And im givin mine.. and im afraid Pike are the most hated team in this country. Ye finally got yers.. and I for one am delighted.. Another yr without an fai!!

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Expect nothing else from the likes of you.you're not worth even answering.ye definetly won't win it.

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Originally Posted by Mr Right

End result is Pike are gone... great news for everyone.. except pikeys!! Finally got what ye deserve, from yrs of slagging, goading other clubs about how great ye are and rubbing teams noses in it when ye beat them.. ye are the most hated club in this country, thru no fault but yer own and ye should get no sympathy or reprieve rom this mess... playin an illegal player is against the rules... not the mention the several players yer payin up there!! ye should be thrown outta the Munster junior, and all domestic competions also.

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Originally Posted by Mr Right

Whats disgusting about it???? its an opinionated forum..And im givin mine.. and im afraid Pike are the most hated team in this country. Ye finally got yers.. and I for one am delighted.. Another yr without an fai!!

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well then why dont you write that they are the most hated club BY YOU. Im not from limerick and i couldnt give a shiny sh**e about pike, so dont be saying the whole country hates them. hopefully all the crap will stop in this thread soon and it can go back to being about the Junior Cup, though no doubt it will still be messy over who replaces them

So a few of you reckon that St Micks only put in an objection because Connie stuck the fingers up. There's been a lot of nonsense written in this thread but that tops the lot :ttth:

anyone think carrick will be licking there lips over all this a big semi final coming up on sunday carrick total focas on football and training for the game.
pike in the other hand minds could well be somewhere else and not focased on what is a very tough game

At the end of the day Pike Rovers played an illegal player in the FAI Junior Cup (fair enough if it was in an earlier round). If the shoe was on the other foot they'd more than likely have done the same as St. Michael's.

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Originally Posted by Play_On

At the end of the day Pike Rovers played an illegal player in the FAI Junior Cup (fair enough if it was in an earlier round). If the shoe was on the other foot they'd more than likely have done the same as St. Michael's.

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"In the interest of fair play"a replay was ordered by the FAI Junior Council after the original hearing but why should St.Michaels advance,definately not in the interest of fair play afterall they were beaten by a legitimate Pike Rovers team on the 14th March.Granted,they may have been illegal in a previous round(s) and should be punished accordingly,but St.Michaels advancement wreaks of wrong doing.Yes,punish Pike Rovers but why REWARD St.Michaels??.......If I was a player with St.Michaels,I would be embarassed to set foot on a pitch to take part in a semi final of an FAI that I hadn't earned the right to be in.....

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Originally Posted by Damo

I couldn't comment on whether or not some were being led up the garden path by Connie but you are bang on in saying that those same people are not dealing in "facts." And on the point of some Pike people stating a couple of weeks ago - with a certain smugness if truth by told - that we should "all just wait and see"; what exactly did they think we should have been waiting for? One guy kept telling everyone to wait, as if Pike going through was a foregone conclusion. Tis time to speak up, whoever you are!!!

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Alot of people on this site we pretending to be pike rovers and were not so dont believe half the tripe thats on this site, and for the record it will be going to court where a judge a neutral judge will decide who goes through.
How long will it take to get to abirtration because i have holidays in August, i think after this year the fai will have get there act together fai junior saying one thing fai senior doing the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Spindoctor

"In the interest of fair play"a replay was ordered by the FAI Junior Council after the original hearing but why should St.Michaels advance,definately not in the interest of fair play afterall they were beaten by a legitimate Pike Rovers team on the 14th March.Granted,they may have been illegal in a previous round(s) and should be punished accordingly,but St.Michaels advancement wreaks of wrong doing.Yes,punish Pike Rovers but why REWARD St.Michaels??.......If I was a player with St.Michaels,I would be embarassed to set foot on a pitch to take part in a semi final of an FAI that I hadn't earned the right to be in.....

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Fair post.

So the FAI have the right to remove Pike .How they can reward St Michaels for Pike's infraction adds further to the theory (whether true or not) that Saints have pull in higher circles.

When all this broke an "FAI HEAD" told me that the FAI Senior body were out to get Pike after complaints from Limerick FC that Pike were paying their players more than the Senior Club. "they would get them somehow" was the comment. I did not believe it at the time - now I don not know.
I hope the FAI know what they have done as a precedent is now set for clubs to object up to the semi final stage against players who have played all through the competition. I can see the dosiers being created.

As a Limerickman I'm very disappointed with this decision but not in the least surprised. One question springs to mind, if Pike do go legal what happens to the FAI Senior Cup second round matches?
Bluebell United v St. Michaels/Pike Rovers to be played weekending May 16th. The FAI could have a serious problem at senior level........but what's new there!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Spindoctor

"In the interest of fair play"a replay was ordered by the FAI Junior Council after the original hearing but why should St.Michaels advance,definately not in the interest of fair play afterall they were beaten by a legitimate Pike Rovers team on the 14th March.Granted,they may have been illegal in a previous round(s) and should be punished accordingly,but St.Michaels advancement wreaks of wrong doing.Yes,punish Pike Rovers but why REWARD St.Michaels??.......If I was a player with St.Michaels,I would be embarassed to set foot on a pitch to take part in a semi final of an FAI that I hadn't earned the right to be in.....

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i think the point is why should st micheals have had to play pike,they should have been thrown out after the aisling game end of so there is no reason micheals should have had to play them anyways,you gotta feel sorry for some of the pike players,some of them are there for obvious reasons but a few of them have been there for a while now like enright and mcgarryand others and its an awful shame that they should lose outwhen the players themselves haven't done a thing wrong

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Originally Posted by mulla

i think the point is why should st micheals have had to play pike,they should have been thrown out after the aisling game end of so there is no reason micheals should have had to play them anyways,you gotta feel sorry for some of the pike players,some of them are there for obvious reasons but a few of them have been there for a while now like enright and mcgarryand others and its an awful shame that they should lose outwhen the players themselves haven't done a thing wrong

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Mulla don't be such a hypocrite everyone knows you hate pike so don't be letting on you feel sorry players up there when you don't give a sh....so just keep you're stupid comments to youreself.

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Originally Posted by the bandit

Mulla don't be such a hypocrite everyone knows you hate pike so don't be letting on you feel sorry players up there when you don't give a sh....so just keep you're stupid comments to youreself.

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i'm not being hypocritical at all,i never said i hated pike and just because i never jumped on the bandwagon to defend them shouldn't mean a thing, i always stated that if they were found guilty of playing an illegal player and if you look back i have always said if, then they should be thrown out the same as i would have said if it had been any other team so don't give me crap ,
i do feel sorry for the players,but do i feel sorry for tthe ex balla and view men who swore never to play for ye?no.do i feel sorry for pike? no. i am involved with the dines and ya we have had a brutal season,getting demolished in the process in the tuohy by pike when they had a few ex loi players playing.And i can tell you this its pretty demoralising going out and giving your all but being 5 0 down and then they bring on more ex loi playersBut if your going to go around signing these guys by whatever means ye have at least make sure everything is in order.

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Originally Posted by the bandit

Just sick and tired of listening to yere crap.if ye don't like pike so what but why keep talking crap here, are ye jealous of what they have?have nothing to do with pike either by the way.

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did i say anything about pike and by the way i dont give a toss who goes threw

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Originally Posted by mulla

i'm not being hypocritical at all,i never said i hated pike and just because i never jumped on the bandwagon to defend them shouldn't mean a thing, i always stated that if they were found guilty of playing an illegal player and if you look back i have always said if, then they should be thrown out the same as i would have said if it had been any other team so don't give me crap ,
i do feel sorry for the players,but do i feel sorry for tthe ex balla and view men who swore never to play for ye?no.do i feel sorry for pike? no. i am involved with the dines and ya we have had a brutal season,getting demolished in the process in the tuohy by pike when they had a few ex loi players playing.And i can tell you this its pretty demoralising going out and giving your all but being 5 0 down and then they bring on more ex loi playersBut if your going to go around signing these guys by whatever means ye have at least make sure everything is in order.

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Object then.and who said that Davy Ryan and Wayne said they would never play for pike,that's exactly the crap I'm talking about.if you're involved with dines as you say you are you wouldn't have a clue what goes on in pike rovers.so shut it.

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Originally Posted by the bandit

Object then.and who said that Davy Ryan and Wayne said they would never play for pike,that's exactly the crap I'm talking about.if you're involved with dines as you say you are you wouldn't have a clue what goes on in pike rovers.so shut it.

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if your not invoulve with pike either whats it got to do with you and for your info it came straight from the balla mans mouth,family to feed and all that crap,better incentives shall we say in pike

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Originally Posted by mulla

if your not invoulve with pike either whats it got to do with you and for your info it came straight from the balla mans mouth,family to feed and all that crap,better incentives shall we say in pike

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Typical.expect nothing else from you.