American Politics

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Originally Posted by John83

Nice appeal to authority there. Seems very on-brand these days.

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No idea what you are saying there, or if it's even directed at me?

Any chance you could talk about Tucker Carlson (without using sources - just like we were sitting in a pub and talking man to man)?
Why did FOX News stop him from airing the J6 tapes he was in possession of?
Why did Chuck Schumer stand on a podium in front of the country and advise Fox in the strongest terms possible, not to air any more of the tapes?
Why have they been kept under wraps since?
If Tucker is not a credible person, why not go ahead and expose him for the fraud / fool that he is? Simple enough right?

What if you knew these facts before you got into the pub? Can you still use them in a conversation with a randomer at the bar?

It's not like some of his claims about January 6th have been discredited is it?
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/ex...-presentation/

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

What if you knew these facts before you got into the pub? Can you still use them in a conversation with a randomer at the bar?

It's not like some of his claims about January 6th have been discredited is it?
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/ex...-presentation/

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You got the floor.
Let's hear what you have to say relative to the above questions, or are we going to keep beating around the bush?

Looks like Mr Harris in Ireland is pledging hundreds of millions of euros of Irish taxpayers' money to Mr Zelensky. And the initial reaction from Irish people, on social media at least, does not appear to be too favorable.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Looks like Mr Harris in Ireland is pledging hundreds of millions of euros of Irish taxpayers' money to Mr Zelensky. And the initial reaction from Irish people, on social media at least, does not appear to be too favorable.

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Is this Simon Harris's own money ? !

According to this - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...tage-rcna71878 - Schumer included his reasons for not releasing the tapes

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“The footage Speaker McCarthy is making available to Fox News is a treasure trove of closely held information about how the Capitol complex is protected and its public release would compromise the safety of the Legislative Branch and allow those who want to commit another attack to learn how Congress is safeguarded.”

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Releasing the security video discloses the locations of security cameras across the Capitol grounds, “making it harder and more dangerous for our brave Capitol police officers to do their job,” Schumer said. It also could reveal “highly guarded plans for the continuity of government” in the event of an attack.

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Basically, that the video footage would give away the security protocols in place in the capitol building, and the footage could be used to identify weaknesses in that same security.

That statement came out in February 2023, two months before Carlson was let go from Fox. There's no official statement from the network why he left.

You're wasting your time Tets. Mark is deep in the Trump Cult. I see his like over here daily and they will blindly follow him. One of the only things Trump has said that wasn't a lie is that he could shoot someone in the face and not lose his followers.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

You're wasting your time Tets. Mark is deep in the Trump Cult. I see his like over here daily and they will blindly follow him. One of the only things Trump has said that wasn't a lie is that he could shoot someone in the face and not lose his followers.

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Really Razor? Calling names? You're a better person than that, don't you think?

I have no doubt that if I walked into a pub in Ireland I could sit down in your company and have a quiet meaningful conversation with you over a drink or two. As Irishmen I would think we have a lot in common. I grew up in Dublin, played football like every other kid at the time, and emigrated to America over 30 years ago.

I didn't have the slightest interest in politics until 9/11 happened. Ever since that I have witnessed the erosion of the American media and the values they are supposed to uphold.

The only thing that separates us is our opinions on one topic in particular. As you say there are plenty like me over there. There are also plenty of your persuasion over here. Otherwise decent people at odds with one another. Don't you think what the media tells us (or doesn't) has a lot to do with it?

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Really Razor? Calling names? You're a better person than that, don't you think?

I have no doubt that if I walked into a pub in Ireland I could sit down in your company and have a quiet meaningful conversation with you over a drink or two. As Irishmen I would think we have a lot in common. I grew up in Dublin, played football like every other kid at the time, and emigrated to America over 30 years ago.

I didn't have the slightest interest in politics until 9/11 happened. Ever since that I have witnessed the erosion of the American media and the values they are supposed to uphold.

The only thing that separates us is our opinions on one topic in particular. As you say there are plenty like me over there. There are also plenty of your persuasion over here. Otherwise decent people at odds with one another. Don't you think what the media tells us (or doesn't) has a lot to do with it?

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I didnt call you any names Mark, I simply said that you a rooted firmly in the Trump Cult and that I see enough people like you where I live to know that theres nothing the man could ever do to change your mind. Hes a convicted fraudster and yet you believe everything he says.

I emigrated here 12 year ago and as I said previously I think the news here is shameful. Its all rage bait intended to sell ads and the people that tune in are only there to have their opinions reinforced. You have said you watch Fox. This is a company that had to pay $787 Million for Libel against Dominion and in a previous slander trial against Tucker Carlson their defense was "that you shouldnt take him literally."

So yes I do think the news media has a lot to do with what happens over here, but mainly because people are stupid enough to tune in a watch it. I havent watched cable news over here in years. I think the last straw for me was after there were attacks in nightclubs in Paris I put on the news to see what happened and they were interviewing a band from the US who were supposed to be playing in one of the clubs and didnt go or something like that. There was no actual coverage of the events.

You talk about values eroding in the media, what about values in Politics? The Republicans are supposed to be the "family values" party, but yet now have a man as their king who is divorvced multiple times and has affairs with porn stars.

Trump talked about WW3 the other day in the Oval office with Zelenskyy. If WW3 was to suddenly break out the US right now would be on the side of Russia and against the Allies of the past.... thats some erosion of values!

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

I didnt call you any names Mark, I simply said that you a rooted firmly in the Trump Cult and that I see enough people like you where I live to know that theres nothing the man could ever do to change your mind. Hes a convicted fraudster and yet you believe everything he says.

I emigrated here 12 year ago and as I said previously I think the news here is shameful. Its all rage bait intended to sell ads and the people that tune in are only there to have their opinions reinforced. You have said you watch Fox. This is a company that had to pay $787 Million for Libel against Dominion and in a previous slander trial against Tucker Carlson their defense was "that you shouldnt take him literally."

So yes I do think the news media has a lot to do with what happens over here, but mainly because people are stupid enough to tune in a watch it. I havent watched cable news over here in years. I think the last straw for me was after there were attacks in nightclubs in Paris I put on the news to see what happened and they were interviewing a band from the US who were supposed to be playing in one of the clubs and didnt go or something like that. There was no actual coverage of the events.

You talk about values eroding in the media, what about values in Politics? The Republicans are supposed to be the "family values" party, but yet now have a man as their king who is divorvced multiple times and has affairs with porn stars.

Trump talked about WW3 the other day in the Oval office with Zelenskyy. If WW3 was to suddenly break out the US right now would be on the side of Russia and against the Allies of the past.... thats some erosion of values!

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Good to see that we have some things in common. The media, for me, is an absolute disgrace in America and in Europe and even FOX which I watch along with Newsmax, will only tell you about 70% of the story. They are at corporate entity first and a news station second.

And....this may surprise you but I have little or no time for the Republicans and their supposed values. Why? Because they are supposed to be the antithesis of the Democrats but both parties are in bed together and have been for a very long time. Meanwhile the regular Joe is paying taxes for all sorts of things which have no bearing on his life.

You might be right about the US and Russia partnering in the event of a war but I'm left wondering how it came to this? Europe and the US should be rock solid together militarily but the US has bankrupted itself while protecting Europe we're told. The real enemy for all of us is China.

Lastly Trump has said he wants peace around the world and yet he continues to be criticized. At present we have a ceasefire in Gaza and apparently the peace deal with Ukraine is back on. But Trump will never ever be given credit for that by those people in America who profit from endless war.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Good to see that we have some things in common. The media, for me, is an absolute disgrace in America and in Europe and even FOX which I watch along with Newsmax, will only tell you about 70% of the story. They are at corporate entity first and a news station second.

And....this may surprise you but I have little or no time for the Republicans and their supposed values. Why? Because they are supposed to be the antithesis of the Democrats but both parties are in bed together and have been for a very long time. Meanwhile the regular Joe is paying taxes for all sorts of things which have no bearing on his life.

You might be right about the US and Russia partnering in the event of a war but I'm left wondering how it came to this? Europe and the US should be rock solid together militarily but the US has bankrupted itself while protecting Europe we're told. The real enemy for all of us is China.

Lastly Trump has said he wants peace around the world and yet he continues to be criticized. At present we have a ceasefire in Gaza and apparently the peace deal with Ukraine is back on. But Trump will never ever be given credit for that by those people in America who profit from endless war.

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Trump has said a lot of things and yet some people continue to believe him. Wheres the heathcare plan he promised to roll out in 2 weeks, about 5 years ago? Today hes talking about Cryptocurrency on his social media a few days after his son had given a heads up something like that was coming. Its all a grift to fill his own pockets. This is a man who has never cared about people his entire life and now all of a sudden hes supposed to be this saviour of World Peace? How about the AI video he shared the other day showing Gaza turned into a holiday resort and gold statue of himself at the heart of it. Last week hes sharing a picture of himself in a crown with "God Save the King".

This whole thing is about enriching himself and his buddies like Elon.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Trump has said a lot of things and yet some people continue to believe him. Wheres the heathcare plan he promised to roll out in 2 weeks, about 5 years ago? Today hes talking about Cryptocurrency on his social media a few days after his son had given a heads up something like that was coming. Its all a grift to fill his own pockets. This is a man who has never cared about people his entire life and now all of a sudden hes supposed to be this saviour of World Peace? How about the AI video he shared the other day showing Gaza turned into a holiday resort and gold statue of himself at the heart of it. Last week hes sharing a picture of himself in a crown with "God Save the King".

This whole thing is about enriching himself and his buddies like Elon.

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The Healthcare plan was sabotaged by his own party members, chief of which was Paul Ryan. He was sabotaged a million times during his first term, surely you agree? But ultimately he wasn't able to deliver on his promise.

About Gaza, I myself wondered aloud, about a year ago, why it couldn't be turned into the next Dubai? Surely that would be better for the people than what they currently have? If peace was to be achieved - wonderful. But that has to be the goal? And there is no one stopping any of the Arab nations from stepping in to help rebuild the place. What none of us want (and that includes Trump) is a repeat of October 7 and its aftermath.

As far as him lining his pockets, I just don't see it. He wants what's best for America evidence of which is the current minerals deal on the table for Ukraine. It's a great deal for America and Ukraine and (correct me if I'm wrong) Europe as well.
And if he was doing anything untoward there are a million vultures out there only waiting to take him down.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

The Healthcare plan was sabotaged by his own party members, chief of which was Paul Ryan. He was sabotaged a million times during his first term, surely you agree? But ultimately he wasn't able to deliver on his promise.

About Gaza, I myself wondered aloud, about a year ago, why it couldn't be turned into the next Dubai? Surely that would be better for the people than what they currently have? If peace was to be achieved - wonderful. But that has to be the goal? And there is no one stopping any of the Arab nations from stepping in to help rebuild the place. What none of us want (and that includes Trump) is a repeat of October 7 and its aftermath.

As far as him lining his pockets, I just don't see it. He wants what's best for America evidence of which is the current minerals deal on the table for Ukraine. It's a great deal for America and Ukraine and (correct me if I'm wrong) Europe as well.
And if he was doing anything untoward there are a million vultures out there only waiting to take him down.

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Dude out of his own mouth in this years debates he said he has "the concepts of a plan" when asked about healthcare. Thats nothing to do with Paul Ryan or anyone else.

As for Gaza, you do understand that to achieve what Trump suggested it would mean following through on Israels plan for a complete ethic cleansing first. This is a man who last week didnt understand that his golf course in Doonbeg is not in the UK, but yet you expect us to believe his great plan for World peace.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Dude out of his own mouth in this years debates he said he has "the concepts of a plan" when asked about healthcare. Thats nothing to do with Paul Ryan or anyone else.

As for Gaza, you do understand that to achieve what Trump suggested it would mean following through on Israels plan for a complete ethic cleansing first. This is a man who last week didnt understand that his golf course in Doonbeg is not in the UK, but yet you expect us to believe his great plan for World peace.

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I followed most of what went on prior to the debate but don't remember him talking about a health plan? Not saying it didn't happen. I mentioned Paul Ryan because I thought we were were discussing 5 years ago. Anyway I don't think for one second that Trump wants to see an ethnic cleansing. He mentioned a rebuild of the strip with America owning it (something I would have no interest in), but an ethnic cleansing?

There is far too much killing going on in Gaza and in Ukraine. Trump has consistently talked about achieving peace. Let's hope he achieves it.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

I followed most of what went on prior to the debate but don't remember him talking about a health plan? Not saying it didn't happen. I mentioned Paul Ryan because I thought we were were discussing 5 years ago. Anyway I don't think for one second that Trump wants to see an ethnic cleansing. He mentioned a rebuild of the strip with America owning it (something I would have no interest in), but an ethnic cleansing?

There is far too much killing going on in Gaza and in Ukraine. Trump has consistently talked about achieving peace. Let's hope he achieves it.

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Firstly here is his concepts of a plan answer... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p6zZZ3DPGE

Secondly, how do you think this Gaza idea would happen if they dont get get rid of the people who actually own the land... you know those pesky Palestinians who are in the way and Netanyahu is try to wipe out. If destroying a whole nation of people isnt ethnic cleansing then what is? Trump wants to build hotels on someone elses land here. He is not discussing this with Palestine, hes discussing it with Israel. Can you imagine if the Brits decide that they want Ireland back and that the whole West Coast is going to be one big golf resort. Would the Irish people get a say in this or should they just be moved out of the way or killed?

Thats not peace!

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Firstly here is his concepts of a plan answer... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p6zZZ3DPGE

Secondly, how do you think this Gaza idea would happen if they dont get get rid of the people who actually own the land... you know those pesky Palestinians who are in the way and Netanyahu is try to wipe out. If destroying a whole nation of people isnt ethnic cleansing then what is? Trump wants to build hotels on someone elses land here. He is not discussing this with Palestine, hes discussing it with Israel. Can you imagine if the Brits decide that they want Ireland back and that the whole West Coast is going to be one big golf resort. Would the Irish people get a say in this or should they just be moved out of the way or killed?

Thats not peace!

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There is nothing about Donald Trump, nothing ever in his past, not a single thing, to suggest that he would want anything to do with ethnic cleansing. Really, come on? To the contrary, he is working for peace in Ukraine, and, as insanely difficult as it may prove to be, between Gaza and Israel as well. Does he want to build on that land - yes. Did he say at any point that he was going to permanently displace the Palestinians? If he did, I did not hear it. I'm pretty sure I heard him suggest that others in the region could take them in while the country is rebuilt. He did say he would like to turn it into a resort and America would own it (like I said, I don't think this is a good idea on America's part, not one bit, and there are many Americans, I'm sure, who think likewise). His supporters have labelled him the President of peace due to the fact that no new wars were started on his watch (last time around) which is a lot more than can be said for the warmongers who have sat in the same White House seat. And, at the end of the day, there is nothing stopping others in the region (and European countries could also weigh in) from rebuilding Gaza. But for some strange reason, everyone else has stayed quiet on the subject. So if he is the only offer in town then shame on others for not stepping up.

I should have taken my own advice when I said the discussion was pointless. Hes working for Peace in the Ukraine by picking a fight with the leader there who is actually fighting in a war to defend his country, and in Gaza talking about building a holiday resort in a place that people are fighting to stay alive while one of Trumps mates is trying to wipe them out... PEACE!

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Did he say at any point that he was going to permanently displace the Palestinians? If he did, I did not hear it. I'm pretty sure I heard him suggest that others in the region could take them in while the country is rebuilt.

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Thing is he did :: https://www.foxnews.com/video/6368924186112

No right of return, no clarity on how to move them. Other countries in the region not wanting any part of it.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

I should have taken my own advice when I said the discussion was pointless. Hes working for Peace in the Ukraine by picking a fight with the leader there who is actually fighting in a war to defend his country, and in Gaza talking about building a holiday resort in a place that people are fighting to stay alive while one of Trumps mates is trying to wipe them out... PEACE!

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It is indeed bordering on pointless.
People can stay alive a lot easier in a resort which is bent on conducting commerce and business instead of engaging in gunfights.
Anyway, something I just heard which may interest you - before he went to the White House on Friday, Zelensky had a meeting with a number of Democrats in Washington? Why?

It is obvious to me (from having watched about 2.5 hours of news opinion just now) that the Dems don't want any peace agreement in Ukraine. It would show Trump in too good a light.

Let's just agree to disagree and see how things unfold in the next few weeks.

So you watched 2.5 hours of opinion on Fox and Newsmax and came to the theory that it's the Democrats fault. I'm shocked I tells ya!!

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Originally Posted by mark12345

It is indeed bordering on pointless.
People can stay alive a lot easier in a resort which is bent on conducting commerce and business instead of engaging in gunfights.
Anyway, something I just heard which may interest you - before he went to the White House on Friday, Zelensky had a meeting with a number of Democrats in Washington? Why?

It is obvious to me (from having watched about 2.5 hours of news opinion just now) that the Dems don't want any peace agreement in Ukraine. It would show Trump in too good a light.

Let's just agree to disagree and see how things unfold in the next few weeks.

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You didn't think to maybe check if there was a record of who was at this meeting?
It took me less than ten seconds to Google that meeting and find this
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...ith-democrats/
Republicans Lindsey Graham, Chuck Grassley, and Roger Wicker all attended the same meeting, with documented evidence provided to support their attendance including photos and videos of the event.