As a career choice, it couldn't be playing out much worse than this.
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As a career choice, it couldn't be playing out much worse than this.
Worst part is Mamardashvili will go out on loan while Kelleher spends another year fetching the balls to warm up Alisson.
He has nobody to blame but himself, he's always been far, far too comfortable there.
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Originally Posted by Razors left peg
A post from 2022 where I and others were basically calling this situation, its depressing that here we are a couple of years later and nothing has changed with him
It seems a bit pessimistic given he had ten league appearances last season alone. He has about 60 senior appearances, not 10. I know how you like not to appear biased, razor.
It does feel like a critical moment for Kellagher, but there's an awful lot of panic above. Did anyone expect Liverpool to sell him without securing a replacement first? Especially after the season already started. A move in the near future looks likely now. If it doesn't materialise, then I'll worry.
Yeah he got more game time last season with Alissons injury and he looked really good .... and then the very next transfer window they sign his replacement. Unless he gets a move in the next week or two I don't know how anyone can spin it at as a positive
He has played 15 league games in his entire career. There can't be many active 25/26 year professional players in world football with that record.
The near future looks like being next summer now does it not? At which point he's only about five or so years from being known as "veteran goalkeeper Caoimhin Kelleher".
How do you define the near future? If he gets out this window and its a positive step then I think we can call off the hounds alright but my biggest worry is that Mamardashvili's loaning back out to Valencia means that Kelleher is stuck on the bench for another season. After many, many seasons of being stuck on the bench. That's why I think staying with Liverpool and, for sure, not going out on loan for even one of those seasons, have been terrible choices for his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I don't think there's anyone here who wouldn't prefer to see him out of Liverpool this window.
Just realised that there's every chance he'll have more international caps than he has played league games by the end of the next international period in September. He's currently on 15 league games and has 14 international caps. You might occasionally get that with a star teenager from a small country but for a 25, going on 26 year old that's a pretty incredible situation.
Right. But you said there was unnecessary panic in some of the messages. There is a week and a half left until the transfer window slams shut and there is nothing about a CK move (other than a very tenuous rumour linking him to Juve). Its enough to be worried about at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
If he stays fit he'll likely have more Ireland caps than club appearances this season. We've 8 games this season and even if Bazunu comes back as Southampton no.1 when fit if Kelleher plays all six NL games could assume HH will keep him as no.1 if his performances have been good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
If Allison doesn't get injured I can see Kelleher making 0 appearances for Liverpool. Because surely it benefits Liverpool more if Jaros plays the EFL cup games and select few FA cup games against weaker opposition.
I think I seen somewhere thar Aaron Ramsdale is going to Wolves, so that's another potential outlet gone. Kelleher is 26 in November, and has played and grand total of 47 games of football for Liverpool, with 15 of those being in the League. He's in the last year of his contract and Liverpool are still apparently asking north of 20 million for him.Why is he not making more noise and forcing his way out? Players force moves all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
He's got two years left on his contract. Nothing ever mentioned about whether it contains a clause to add an extra year but would assume it doesn't since it was a five year deal he signed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Ah ok, my mistake. I thought he was in the last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Time is tight, sure, but I'd argue three points. First, his replacement wasn't hired for no reason; Liverpool now have not only the option but in FFP rules incentive to move him on. Second, yes there hasn't been much noise, but not every transfer is telegraphed in the media. Third, I agree it's a matter of concern that there's not much time left in the window, but I'd distinguish between concern and panic. I think he'll go in this window, or possibly in one of the next two. I'd rather it were sooner so he's playing, especially with Bazunu injured (I think; it's been a while since I heard an update there). Kellagher's been in this position for several years to one degree or another. This window or the next won't matter in the long run. The important thing is he finally seems to have lost patience with benchwarming.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Not sure who this Kellagher lad is you keep speaking of John, but theres been noises around Kelleher getting moves every summer in the last few years. I hope that this is the time he actually does it, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Ramsdale, who is only 6 months older than Kelleher has played 167 more club games, and hes not even a lad playing regularly all the time!
Bazunu is out until around Christmas, so an excellent opportunity for Kelleher (or someone else??) to take the #1 spot. I don't actually think someone else will, but maybe Max O' Leary as our only regular squad option actually playing football, might get a cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
That’s crazy actually. And so many similar examples have been referenced in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I hope you’re right on points 1 & 2 above. You’re right that it is still viable. On point 3, I’ll say I didn’t read much panic in the posts (incl my own!) just a sense of exasperation on how this could play out.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I really hope he goes now. Hes already at a disadvantage with the season started across the board. January windows are a bust in general now and even more so for keepers. Next year he’ll be no further ahead (in that another season on the bench more or less) doesn’t make him any more attractive to potential buyers.
To be fair I thinks its a no brainer that Kelleher is our first choice keeper through the Autumn games, O'Leary should probably get a cap but Kelleher would be the undisputed #1 until Bazunu gets back playing. Im assuming we have games in March/April next year, if Kellehers situation remains as it is now and Bazunu is playing Premiership football, that again would be a no brainer for Bazunu to be our 1st choice in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
Travers and O'Leary are unlucky to have those two lads in front of them, but I dont see either really establishing themselves for us unless Kelleher stays a sub keeper long term and Bazunus injury causes him to regress
Not looking good for Kelleher this season but some of the folk on here are absolutely clueless how contracts in football work, seen it with Lawal posts as well, when you sign a contract, the club decides your future not you. Would it be better for Kellehers career to leave? yes, but not for Liverpool. Having a poor back up cost Inter the 2022 title, don't think Liverpool will take that risk.
Players force their way out of clubs every day. We are all aware of his contract situation, it was even clarified to me that its 2 years and not 1, but players and their agents can and do make enough of a fuss that the clubs will let them go if the player really wants it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayzor
It's true he signed a contract and it's true players can make their intentions to leave clear (Idah did exactly that, albeit with very solid interest)
But Liverpool are spending £30m on a decent keeper (do they have to loan him back for a year?) - surely it makes sense for them to try get a few million of that back on a keeper they now don't need?
It seems like all the signs are there for Kelleher to finally move... except the move itself
Still think Kelleher will keep the number one jersey next March even if he's not playing and Bazunu is back as number one with Southampton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
As we've seen before with Ireland and even some big nations that club form doesn't guarantee you a place in the starting XI. If Kelleher plays all six NL games I can see HH sticking with Kelleher going into the qualifiers unless he plays poorly in the NL.
HH will be well acquainted with Kelleher come next March but will be his first time getting an up close look at Bazunu. With a bit of luck we end up with a four team group for the qualifiers meaning we won't have our first qualifier till September so could organise friendlies in June.
Should have a promotion/relegation playoff next March if we finish second or third unless we're relegated which we'll have more friendlies in March.
Yep no doubt some managers are loyal to a fault with players and often it's harder to get out of the team than get in if you are one of the favorites, but I suppose we don't really know Hallgrimsson yet and how he operates. He might be one to pick on form, we'll find out more in the next couple months.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
That's true but you need to be a certain type of person to do that, Kelleher been there since he's 16, they plucked him from ringmahon and made him an international and a millionaire. Klopp seemed to really rate him, hopefully slot not too bothered and he gets a move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
But thats the point isnt it. Hes comfortable there, nice lad and happy to go with the flow and it may badly affect his career. Hallgrimson tonight talking about needing more b@stards in the squad, he'll be looking past Kelleher for that bit it seemsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rayzor
Does any of our keepers give off ******* vibes? Remember thinking a couple of times that Bazunu was too quiet for his own good two seasons ago when he first joined Southampton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Theres very few in the squad overall that have that edge to them. Bazunu does come across as a nice lad himself, but at least he looked for loans from City and wanted a permanent move for 1st team football at a very young age, does that show a bit of backbone that seems to be missing from Kelleher so far?Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Hallgrimsson mentioned Kelleher in the Q&A.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
There was also an indirect recommendation for Caoimhín Kelleher to hasten his planned move from Liverpool, denoting how goalkeepers require gametime to keep fresh.
“He showed how good he was last season,” was Hallgrimsson’s opening statement about the Corkman, set to resume his status as back-up to Brazilian Alisson.
“If he gets games, it’s good for us but goalkeepers usually benefit from starting on a regular basis. You don’t usually change a goalkeeper at half-time.”
Seems that he wont accept Kelleher sitting on the bench all season if others are playing regularly. Not knowing much about Hallgrimsson makes all this more interesting, we've no idea what to expect from himQuote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Travers another that will need to sort a move if he even wants to make squads. Hallgrimsson might well want two back up keepers that play regularly while Kelleher is first choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I mean until Bazunu’s fit, who does that leave apart from O’Leary? Travers on the bench for Bournemouth, Bonham is on the bench for Stoke. Randolph is without a club. You’re left with League 1: Pym, League 2: Harrington, LOI: Kearns, Maher, McGinty. Conference: McNicholasQuote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Not exactly a lot to pick from…
There's a huge drop off from the best four to anyone else. So as long as Bazunu is out the other three will be in every squad when they're fit. Kelleher is sure to get the gloves at the start anyway, but if his club situation hasn't changed by the spring and Bazunu is back starting in the Premier League, it's likely the change will be made then.
It must be Kelleher. O’Leary was one of the best Championship goalkeepers last season and that deserves No.2 spot. Bazunu will never be an EPL regular. He is simply not good enough. Even the Championship may be beyond him. He is possibly Southampton’s worst ever signing.
So it’s Kelleher based on not a lot other than him retaining some claim to an EPL career. A claim that’s becoming a challenge in itself.
He already has been a premier league regular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
You know Southampton signed Ali Dia, right..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
The same club who once put a player on the field because he pretended to be George Weahs cousin. I'd say he's safe enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
Ramp up the hyperbole though, its fantastic.
With Gav injured, and Travers not playing any football, I think Kelleher probably should be Ireland no.1, but Given that O' Leary is the only one who is actually a footballer right now, maybe it should be his jersey to lose, to give everyone the kick they need to sort their lives out.
I said Bazunu will never be a regular. Future tense.
I said “possibly” Southampton’s worst signing.
The hyperbole about Bazunu has indeed been fantastic.
Typical footie.ie ambush. The lads.