Norn Iron rubbish part 23452346526

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

If it is "not your experience", you will be able to post the evidence I challenged you to produce.

If you cannot, then it must be concluded that your comments were fabricated.

The owner of the site invites those who wish to help with the upkeep of the site to make a small contribution - in return, it's "excess all areas".

Many "Irish" people have done so, as have football supporters from othe parts of the world. All areas are open to ANYONE who wishes to make a small contribution to the runniong of the site (£5, one off payment).

That is the site owner's decision - not mine, not yours.

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Fair enough. Though it's also an excuse to keep out 'undesirables', as if they'd even last 5 minutes on there.
Don't have currently, though I did try to gain such access, but they're so hard to contact or unresponsive I didn't persist.

As for evidence;have seen it on there. It's more the tone, or their hypocritical, po-faced attitude re.dissenting views or people engaging in 'banter'.
Still, no surprise there.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

The irony if you even said the words, 'the North' on their MB, you'd never get any further. Such is their paranoia. Which is probably their most prevalent collective psychological issue.

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The irony of anyone who cannot even bring themselves to utter the words "Northern Ireland" trying to woe supporters of the Northern Ireland team into a "happy clappy" fantasy island team is quite interesting.

Futhermore, the continued insults directed at the perceived mental health of those who have the temerity to hold a different view than you, isn't exactly the stuff of those who champion "Unity" - particularly, as those insults are directed at the very people you wish to be "United" with.

However, carry on...

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Fair enough. Though it's also an excuse to keep out 'undesirables', as if they'd even last 5 minutes on there.

Don't have currently, though I did try to gain such access, but they're so hard to contact or unresponsive I didn't persist.

As for evidence;have seen it on there. It's more the tone, or their hypocritical, po-faced attitude re.dissenting views or people engaging in 'banter'.
Still, no surprise there.

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No - let's try again.

If you have evidence, based on your "experiences", that the term "taigs" is used regularly on "that MB", in a vitriolic fashion, put up or shut up.

There are several posters with contrary views, who contribute in all sections, as "Patrons", (including very articulate ROI supporting posters, who are regulars here) who post on "that MB".

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

The irony of anyone who cannot even bring themselves to utter the words "Northern Ireland" trying to woe supporters of the Northern Ireland team into a "happy clappy" fantasy island team is quite interesting.

Futhermore, the continued insults directed at the perceived mental health of those who have the temerity hold a different view than you, isn't exactly the stuff of those who champion "Unity" - particularly, as those insults are directed at the very people you wish to be "United" with.

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To be fair, have encountered a number of local residents who are not so enthusaistic about the term.
And would also question the psyche of certain other local residents. Mainly the ones with a liking for a rather bright colour scheme or whose football team's fans flags generally have an aversion to the colours they play in!

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

All areas are open to ANYONE who wishes to make a small contribution to the runniong of the site (£5, one off payment)...That is the site owner's decision - not mine, not yours

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£5 per year seems good value to me and in practice it is very popular (ie most of the previous members became subscribers when it was introduced). There's a similar scheme here, although I think the fee is rather higher?

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Originally Posted by Ardee Bhoy

Don't have currently, though I did try to gain such access, but they're so hard to contact or unresponsive I didn't persist

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Translation: 'It's not fair, I keep getting banned'. Stop posting random cartoon Provo nonsense and you won't be.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

No - let's try again.

If you have evidence, based on your "experiences", that the term "taigs" is used regularly on "that MB", in a vitriolic fashion, put up or shut up.

There are several posters with contrary views, who contribute in all sections, as "Patrons", (including very articulate ROI supporting posters, who are regulars here) who post on "that MB".

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To your last point;wouldn't expect any difference!

As for evidence, you get me the access and I'll willingly prove it. Guessing you're uncomfortable with that term, though instead of spending so much time trying to re-educate us, you dedicate it to some of your fellow fans. But I'll forgive their ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Gather round

Translation: 'It's not fair, I keep getting banned'. Stop posting random cartoon Provo nonsense and you won't be.

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Translation;"We're so paranoid & po-faced, in the main, how dare anyone question our existence. And dissenters will not be tolerated!"

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

And would also question the psyche of certain other local residents. Mainly the ones with a liking for a rather bright colour scheme or whose football team's fans flags generally have an aversion to the colours they play in!

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What, like Italians and the Dutch, for example?

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

As for evidence, you get me the access and I'll willingly prove it. Guessing you're uncomfortable with that term, though instead of spending so much time trying to re-educate us, you dedicate it to some of your fellow fans. But I'll forgive their ignorance.

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Get yourself access.:rolleyes:

Yes, I would be very uncomfortable with the term - as would the Moderators on "that MB" if it was used in a vitriolic way.

I'm not trying to "re-educate" anyone. I have a respect for difference - something you appear to be, sadly, lacking.

Furthermore, I dedicate a lot of my time away from messageboards doing my (small) bit to fight sectarianism. If you want to call that "re-educating" my "fellow fans", that's fine.

I've had manys a "private" chat with some regular ROI supporters who post here, who hold different views entirely to me. Guess what, I respect them, but they show me similar respect, and don't set out to insult.

They'll know who they are.:)

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Originally Posted by Riddickcule

Why do we always need to go political about it?
For football's sake on this island it makes sense to have an AIL and an AI National team.Better pool of talent, greater access to Capital funding, yeah sure the economies in the ****s now but it'll recover in time, in short time.
Look at rugby, we're one of the worlds best teams....Ireland! up there with the best.
Irelands call is always majestically roared out in Croker, and soon to be Lansdowne.

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Rugby is played to a high level by about 9 countries. One of the World's best teams in soccer would be a far greater status to shout about

in addition, Ireland's Call is an embarrassment

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Get yourself excess.:rolleyes:

Yes, I would be very uncomfortable with the term - as would the Moderators on "that MB" if it was used in a vitriolic way.

I'm not trying to "re-educate" anyone. I have a respect for difference - something you appear to be, sadly, lacking.

Furthermore, I dedicate a lot of my time away from messageboards doing my (small) bit to fight sectarianism. If you want to call that "re-educating" my "fellow fans", that's fine.

I've had manys a "private" chat with some regular ROI supporters who post here, who hold different views entirely to me. Guess what, I respect them, but they show me similar respect, and don't set out to insult.

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Ah, get out the violins will you.

My issue with that MB is the level of casual intolerance on there, contrary to your views on here. That's why any decent person would not respect such 'difference'.

But acknowledge your attempts to 'change' the outlook of some.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

My issue with that MB is the level of casual intolerance on there, contrary to your views on here. That's why any decent person would not respect such 'difference'.

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What, exactly, do you mean by "casual intolerance"?

Do you honestly believe that YOUR intolerance for difference, will help you ever acheive your (legitimate) aspirations?:eek:

Do you see the irony of you making up stories about the term "taigs" being regularly used in a derogatory fashion on a message board you state you cannot access, and labellling a whole group of people "paranoid"?:eek:

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

What, exactly, do you mean by "casual intolerance"?

Do you honestly believe that YOUR intolerance for difference, will help you ever acheive your (legitimate) aspirations?

Do you see the irony of you making up stories about the term "taigs" being regularly used in a derogatory fashion on a message board you state you cannot excess, and labellling a whole group of people "paranoid"?

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As it's written. And yes, am intolerant of their intolerance. As anyone should be.

And it's not made up;but it's more about the hypocrisy and what it represents. Though calling 'everyone' paranoid is a little strong, maybe they're just odd. Which I'm not intolerant of, except when it inevitably impacts on others.

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Originally Posted by Gather round

I don't see that as any different from the RoI's 'come on you boys in green' identity expressed in song?

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You do not see any difference to the "stand up for the Ulstermen" chant?

Taken in context with all the trappings, the indications are that it is a team followed primarily by the Protestant/Unionist people.
The SUFTU and Ulster til I die, Union jacks, God Save the Queen does not intimidate but will not inspire a Catholic/nationalist to feel that it is their team.
I haven't met a Nationalist from the North who feels bitter rivalry towards the Republic's team, unlike some of ye :)
The fans at Windsor Pk express themselves in a robust positive manner and may that continue.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

As it's written. And yes, am intolerant of their intolerance. As anyone should be.

And it's not made up;but it's more about the hypocrisy and what it represents. Though calling 'everyone' paranoid is a little strong, maybe they're just odd. Which I'm not intolerant of, except when it inevitably impacts on others.

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Do you not think it's a little hypocritical of you to wax lyrical about intolerance, when throughout this thread you have displayed traits of intolerance towards Northern Ireland, Northern Ireland fans, Unionists generally, and the IFA?

Can you conceive that others, with a different viewpoint to you, might consider you "odd"?

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Originally Posted by geysir

The SUFTU and Ulster til I die, Union jacks, God Save the Queen does not intimidate but will not inspire a Catholic/nationalist to feel that it is their team.

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Perhaps "Catholic/nationists" are more inspired by SUFTBIG, SUIYHTB, Ireland til I die, Tricolours, Amhrán na bhFiann, A Nation once again, The Fields etc?

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Do you not think it's a little hypocritical of you to wax lyrical about intolerance, when throughout this thread you have displayed traits of intolerance towards Northern Ireland, Northern Ireland fans, Unionists generally, and the IFA?

Can you conceive that others, with a different viewpoint to you, might consider you "odd"?

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Maybe because certain parts of those august bodies are inherantly intolerant in their make-up and historical background.
Though appreciate not all parts, or that they're not amenable to some degree of 'change'. But the parts of it that aren't, don't leave the rest of us with the most, er, positive impression.

If that makes anyone 'odd', so be it.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Maybe because certain parts of those august bodies are inherantly intolerant in their make-up and historical background.
Though appreciate not all parts, or that they're not amenable to some degree of 'change'. But the parts of it that aren't, don't leave the rest of us with the most, er, positive impression.
If that makes anyone 'odd', so be it.

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Can you appreciate that others may see traits of intolerance in some of the things you hold dear?

By any stretch of the imagination, broad brushing and demonising swathes of people who hold a different opinion to you is bigotry in it's basest form.

Ah, the irony. People who complain about intolerance, are now :rolleyes: 'intolerant' and accused of 'bigotry'.

As SLF once said, "Take a look at where you're living...."

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Ah, the irony. People who complain about intolerance, are now :rolleyes: 'intolerant' and accused of 'bigotry'.

As SLF once said, "Take a look at where you're living...."

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It's people who practice intolerance, as you have done repeatedly on this thread, who stand accussed.

Those who respect difference face no such accussation.