Norn Iron rubbish part 23452346526

Printable View

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

10/12/2009, 8:07 AM
Gather round

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riddickule

Do any of you go near any other section of the forum? ...Your willingness to affirm no to an AI team is quite amusing, If you really want that lollypop fine lads lets just give to them....For Sporting reasons it makes perfect sense, but you're all so Conservative you couldn't even give it a "wee" go....Football could really excell as an AI, for all other sports it works and it's been worth it. ..Bout time eh? Ffs, couple of hours down the M1, up off yer arses

Glad you like it, Riddick. Here's another suggested drive for you. Two hours off the end of Bray Esplanade, just keep going down, down, down until you hit the lost city of Atlantis. There's as much chance as your football team merging with them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geysir

The NI team and supporter base looks very solid to me. They have a strong identity, albeit an overly "stand up for the Ulstermen" identity

I don't see that as any different from the RoI's 'come on you boys in green' identity expressed in song?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ardee Bhoy

the terms 'Taigs' & 'beggars' are common-place on that MB. And only condemned by the silent minority, indirectly

I condemn them, they're abusive and embarrassing.

Quote:

anyone who even questions the existence of the North's team is prohibited

Not quite, but I mean what do you expect? If I started threads here saying "The South of Ireland are rubbish and should merge with England because let's face it that's where all the players are and half the fans are Brits anyway", I'd be deleted and pretty quickly banned, no?

Quote:

And there's no 'effective all-Ireland' side, if all these confused people who are 'Irish' or perhaps not,won't or can't play for them

Any Irish footballer can play for them. Stop talking nonsense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by C o Down Green

I'm not sure that a hard core support of around 7,000 n.i supporters should represent the thoughts of the supporters & players of football in the North

They don't- you can choose/ elect whoever you like to represent you, including the RoI team and the FAI. The NI support obviously includes a much larger figure than you quote, just like the South's is much greater than the 12,000 (?) who watched your friendly with South Africa.

Quote:

They are a tiny fraction of the football community here and for a many of us we are happy to support Trap's Ireland

They aren't as above; no-one's stopping you supporting Trap. What's the problem?

Quote:

It's wrong that the IFA president, who is a senior member of the Orange Order, and others who have similar unionist affiliations within the IFA organisation, should be the spokemen for what i want in the future

It obviously isn't- you can choose as spokesman or team to follow, whoever you like.

Quote:

The IFA always has been and still is an organisation dominated by Unionists

Probably inevitable, when

a) there are more unionists than nationalists in NI

b) many of the nationalists choose to support the RoI and its FAI.
Get over it, eh?
10/12/2009, 8:25 AM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by co. down green

Many thousands of Ireland supporters already "get up off their arses" from the North to follow Ireland, just as they do in Kerry, Galway, limerick etc... It's a bit of a journey, but we are happy to travel to see ireland play.

I suppose it comes down to your definition of what you regard as being a football supporter living in the North. I love the game, and have never been to Windsor park to support Worthington's team. I much prefer travelling to Dublin to follow my national side.

I'm not sure that a hard core support of around 7,000 n.i supporters should represent the thoughts of the supporters & players of football in the North.

It's wrong that the IFA president, who is a senior member of the Orange Order, and others who have similar unionist affiliations within the IFA organisation, should be the spokemen for what i want in the future.

The IFA always has been and still is an organisation dominated by Unionists.

Certainly no issues from me with anyone going to watch the Republic Of Ireland play - I'm sure those who travel from Northern Ireland are as passionate about your team, as Northern Ireland fans are about ours.

I respect your "preference" to support the Republic Of Ireland - perhaps you will respect the desire of Northern Ireland fans to watch Northern Ireland?

Northern Ireland supporters do not represent "the thoughts of the supporters & players of football in the North". They represent the thoughts of Northern Ireland supporters, ie. those who support the International representative team of the Irish Football Association.

Those who do not wish to play for, or support, that team do not have too - players and supporters now have a choice.

Northern Ireland fans will not be denied our choice to support the Northern Ireland team - furthermore, the Irish Football Association (a Company, and member of FIFA), have no intentions whatsoever of relinquishing their membership, packing up, and disappearing. On the contrary, under the stewardship of the new CEO, they are setting about establishing ambitious plans to progress well into the future. Some people need to get their head around that.

It is the members of the IFA (you can go check the Constitution of the IFA), who decide who represents them.

It's representatives are spokemen for what the Irish Football Association want in the future - not you.

Nobody is stopping you expressing your allegiances elsewhere.
10/12/2009, 8:32 AM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

the terms 'Taigs' & 'beggars' are common-place on that MB.

I'll challenge you right now to post the evidence that the term "taigs" is used in any vitriolic way on "That MB" regularly.

It's not, and making things up doesn't help your arguement one iota.
10/12/2009, 8:36 AM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by ifk101

A high profile player available for selection for us doesn't want to play for Ireland for his reasons - and that's something we need to accept, respect and move on. Similarily there is a community in NI that doesn't want anything to do with us and wants to continue to support the team that represents their identity and interests - that's something we need to accept, respect and move on.

Nail on the head.
10/12/2009, 8:50 AM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Er, 2009-1994=15!!!
Have been to their NISC two years ago, whilst the cricket was on. Ironically the 'regulars' were very welcoming and wished the :rolleyes: Irish cricket team well. And no-one mentioned any 'breakaway'!! ;)

And there's no 'effective all-Ireland' side, if all these confused people who are 'Irish' or perhaps not,won't or can't play for them. Though I would laugh if a unionist 'careerist' player went off to play for England, Ireland or even Scotland, as they had a better chance of reaching major Finals....

I'm quite sure if you went to the same NISC during The Ashes, you'll find many of the Patrons enthusiastically cheering on England - is thon "West Brit" Joyce still playing for them?:)

I follow the fortunes of the Irish and English cricket teams.

There was no talk of a "breakaway", because there was never a "breakaway" in the sport of cricket - and, let's be honest, up until very recently there was little or no interest in the Irish cricket team (playing a very English sport).

Your second para above is non sensical - an player born on the island can now choose to play for the Republic Of Ireland - to say "can't" is simply not fact.

Whilst you may well laugh at a Northern Ireland born "unionist" player going to England or Scotland to further their international career, I don't see that happening - unless the player can satisfy the requirements of FIFA Statutes Article 16.
10/12/2009, 9:27 AM
janeymac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

If only Wales had merged with England eh?:rolleyes:

If only the British clubs didn't have these really odd gentlemen's agreements that has prevented Giggs for playing for England, where he grew up.
10/12/2009, 9:37 AM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by janeymac

If only the British clubs didn't have these really odd gentlemen's agreements that has prevented Giggs for playing for England, where he grew up.

Clubs? I presume you mean the British Associations?

It's a bit more than a "gentlemans agreement" nowadays - it's FIFA Statutes Article 16.

Besides, maybe Giggs wanted to play for Wales?
10/12/2009, 9:43 AM
janeymac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I'm quite sure if you went to the same NISC during The Ashes, you'll find many of the Patrons enthusiastically cheering on England - is thon "West Brit" Joyce still playing for them?:)

I follow the fortunes of the Irish and English cricket teams.

There was no talk of a "breakaway", because there was never a "breakaway" in the sport of cricket - and, let's be honest, up until very recently there was little or no interest in the Irish cricket team (playing a very English sport).

Your second para above is non sensical - an player born on the island can now choose to play for the Republic Of Ireland - to say "can't" is simply not fact.

Whilst you may well laugh at a Northern Ireland born "unionist" player going to England or Scotland to further their international career, I don't see that happening - unless the player can satisfy the requirements of FIFA Statutes Article 16.

Isn't Ed Joyce's mother English and so would be half-Brit not West Brit.

As a matter of interest have you ever gone into the reasons why the two associations split, unlike rugby & cricket?

By the way, the reason why cricket is probably not that popular is that it is a summer sport which is the season when our own native sports (hurling & gaelic football) are played. I think there is something very special about cricket (England's native sport) being played in England - same kind of thing as I think hurling & gaelic football being played here.
10/12/2009, 9:52 AM
janeymac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Clubs? I presume you mean the British Associations?

It's a bit more than a "gentlemans agreement" nowadays - it's FIFA Statutes Article 16.

Besides, maybe Giggs wanted to play for Wales?

Giggs grew up in England and played schoolboys for England - he didn't have a choice.

So by this new Rule 16, Patrick Viera would not be able to play for France because he was born in Senegal despite growing up in France.

Tough one that.
10/12/2009, 9:53 AM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by janeymac

Isn't Ed Joyce's mother English and so would be half-Brit not West Brit.

As a matter of interest have you ever gone into the reasons why the two associations split, unlike rugby & cricket?

Not sure about Mr Joyce's parentage.

Yes, I have.
10/12/2009, 10:10 AM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by janeymac

So by this new Rule 16, Patrick Viera would not be able to play for France because he was born in Senegal despite growing up in France.

Tough one that.

Not sure - what Citizenship/Nationality does Viera have?

Does he have more than one?

My understanding is that Article 16 is essentially a "British" thing.

A, singular, nationality (British), that would ordinarily allow you to play for more than one Association. It essentially stops a "free for all" within the four British Associations.
10/12/2009, 10:27 AM
seanfhear

Some of the Northeners appear to be "protesting too much"

Some like Freud might wonder at this grandiose protesting.

If I am not interested in something I go off and find other stuff that I am interested in to occupy my time.

Any professional psychologists on foot.ie care to give their profesional view on this "protesting too much phenomen";)
10/12/2009, 10:32 AM
Gather round

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanfhear

Some of the Northeners appear to be "protesting too much"

Stop posting nonsense on the web, we'll stop answering it.

Quote:

Some like Freud might wonder at this grandiose protesting

What's grandiose about it? Just a thread on a web board, like thousands of others.

Quote:

If I am not interested in something I go off and find other stuff that I am interested in to occupy my time

Good, bye bye.

Quote:

Any professional psychologists on foot.ie care to give their profesional view on this "protesting too much phenomen";)

I'm sure if any were interested they'd have found the thread by now.
10/12/2009, 10:42 AM
seanfhear

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gather round

Stop posting nonsense on the web, we'll stop answering it.

What's grandiose about it? Just a thread on a web board, like thousands of others.

Good, bye bye.

I'm sure if any were interested they'd have found the thread by now.

Oops I triggered a defensive episode.

Next may come the denial cycle.

You must admit that most supporters of NI are against an All-Ireland team but they (some) do love to debate the issue.

From a psychological point of view it is interesting behaviour.

On some issues some Northeners love to hate;) us but sure i suppose its better than ignoring us. At least we are not lonely when we want to discuss these issues.
10/12/2009, 10:48 AM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanfhear

You must admit that most supporters of NI are against an All-Ireland team but they (some) do love to debate the issue.

From a psychological point of view it is interesting behaviour.

Let me get this right - you think it's "interesting behaviour" that Northern Ireland fans join in debate that centres on the future of their team?:eek:

Do you think a psychiatrist would find that abnormal?
10/12/2009, 10:53 AM
ArdeeBhoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gather round

I condemn them, they're abusive and embarrassing.

Not quite, but I mean what do you expect? If I started threads here saying "The South of Ireland are rubbish and should merge with England because let's face it that's where all the players are and half the fans are Brits anyway", I'd be deleted and pretty quickly banned, no?

the South's

Probably inevitable, when
a) there are more unionists than nationalists in NI

Fair enough though it has to be done by that MB (& probably FfA) just to re-enforce that message.
Though as for questioning our 'identity' in a more inoffensive way, like to think we'd live a lot easier in our skin and not be so po-faced or insecure. So No, would generally just laugh at you! And point out your many factually inaccurate notes.

Though not at your lack of knowledge of :rolleyes: geography or history, as per those last two quotes! Care to consider why?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I'll challenge you right now to post the evidence that the term "taigs" is used in any vitriolic way on "That MB" regularly.

It's not, and making things up doesn't help your arguement one iota.

Hmm. Not in my experience. But it's more the double standards as explained above last night.

Why not get every Irish person 'access all areas' on that MB and then we'll see for ourselves??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I'm quite sure if you went to the same NISC during The Ashes, you'll find many of the Patrons enthusiastically cheering on England - is thon "West Brit" Joyce still playing for them?

I follow the fortunes of the Irish and English cricket teams.

There was no talk of a "breakaway", because there was never a "breakaway" in the sport of cricket - and, let's be honest, up until very recently there was little or no interest in the Irish cricket team (playing a very English sport).

Whilst you may well laugh at a Northern Ireland born "unionist" player going to England or Scotland to further their international career, I don't see that happening - unless the player can satisfy the requirements of FIFA Statutes Article 16.

To be fair, they never mentioned England & ROTW, though their SC was very much made out :rolleyes: in the colour scheme of the former. The only green on show was a photo of George Best wearing an 'Ireland' shirt!!
Though no surprise to he you follow the England cricket team!

As for Joyce, he has delusions of grandeur playing tests but at least his brother & sisters all played for ireland. But the rules in cricket are far more lax.

Finally, if you want to hang on to England's coat-tails, don't be surprised if they take some deserved pay-back, given the amount they've subsidised the north pointlessly over the years. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanfhear

Some of the Northeners appear to be "protesting too much"

Some like Freud might wonder at this grandiose protesting.

Any professional psychologists on foot.ie care to give their profesional view on this "protesting too much phenomen"

To be fair, Freud & legions of his peers could never explain that odd psyche, in certain quarters of N.E.Ulster!!!
10/12/2009, 10:57 AM
janeymac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Not sure - what Citizenship/Nationality does Viera have?

Does he have more than one?

My understanding is that Article 16 is essentially a "British" thing.

A, singular, nationality (British), that would ordinarily allow you to play for more than one Association. It essentially stops a "free for all" within the four British Associations.

Viera was born in Senegal. His family moved to France when he was 8. His citizenship would be of France, but his nationality is Senegalese.

The British Associations must keep a whole FIFA department going sorting out their eligibiilty etc. affairs.
10/12/2009, 11:02 AM
ArdeeBhoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by janeymac

The British Associations must keep a whole FIFA department going sorting out their eligibiilty etc. affairs.

It's the fall-out of having an illegal Empire.

Though a 'good' job for the Brits, they did have a slave trade;They'd barely have any credible footballers now if they hadn't.
Not that's any consolation to various places in W.Africa or the Caribbean....

And the same applies to France & Portugal.
10/12/2009, 11:04 AM
ArdeeBhoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanfhear

Oops I triggered a defensive episode.

Next may come the denial cycle.

You must admit that most supporters of NI are against an All-Ireland team but they (some) do love to debate the issue.

From a psychological point of view it is interesting behaviour.

On some issues some Northeners love to hate;) us but sure i suppose its better than ignoring us. At least we are not lonely when we want to discuss these issues.

The irony if you even said the words, 'the North' on their MB, you'd never get any further. Such is their paranoia. Which is probably their most prevalent collective psychological issue.
10/12/2009, 11:08 AM
Not Brazil

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Hmm. Not in my experience.

Why not get every Irish person 'access all areas' on that MB and then we'll see for ourselves??

If it is "not your experience", you will be able to post the evidence I challenged you to produce.

If you cannot, then it must be concluded that your comments were fabricated.

The owner of the site invites those who wish to help with the upkeep of the site to make a small contribution - in return, it's "excess all areas".

Many "Irish" people have done so, as have football supporters from othe parts of the world. All areas are open to ANYONE who wishes to make a small contribution to the runniong of the site (�5, one off payment).

That is the site owner's decision - not mine, not yours.

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page